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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8799012" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I hope you don't end up regretting bringing it up, because it is an angle I hadn't had words for, but that perfectly encapsulates the issue in my head.I completely didn't intend to treat it as positive, which is why I chose the phrasing I did. I fully acknowledge that I was very potentially acting like a bit of an ass, which is why I added that line. However, the thing about "well everyone knows" is that there is always someone who doesn't know. I could assume you already are aware of and have made the same connections I have, and stay silent, but it is impossible to know whether or not that is the case. There are many times when I have assumed someone knew the same things I knew, only to find out that they didn't and that was the source of a major disconnect between our views. And especially in a text format, it is impractical to try and suss that out without falling into this trap.Agreed.Agreed. As you brushed up against with the "technically correct" reference earlier, it is a heck of a drug to be completely confident in the fact that you are not only right, but right when other people are wrong.Eh, yes and no? For my thoughts, I don't see it as much different than the sports teams selling their parphenalia or the anime gear and statuettes people buy. People like having physical items that represent who they are as people, what their interests are. Some of them are just advertised to people who like being outdoors, or who like whiskey. Some of them are ways to make money off people who are stuck in the tribalism mindset of displaying their colors. I like to imagine that eventually it will become entirely stuff being sold to people who just enjoy those activities, and stops being a thing about masculinity or femininity. Heck, as much as I catch myself in the trap of thinking I "need to be a man" I honestly wish for a time when those terms are basically meaningless. But that gets into wanting society completely restructured to get rid of these pointless divisions and expectations.</blockquote>

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