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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8799482" data-attributes="member: 6799660">Yes, I said "whatever bizarre thing it is this week" in reference to them being the current insults de jour (or were very recently and I'm not up on the latest awful-o-sphere vernacular) being 'cuck' and 'soyboy' and the like, when 20-30 years ago it was 'sissy,' 'pansy.' and 'wuss.' I'm not sure where people have gotten the idea that I think any of this is new. I don't see where I said that. I said my great grandfather (and grandfather), who happened to be of an earlier era, would by utterly unimpressed with these guys. Stating the latter does not imply I think the former. This is the third or fourth time this thread that I am mystified by the responses I have gotten (and how they correlate to what I've said). Regarding men of yesteryear and men of today, there definitely are now more alternative formations of 'manliness' (including ungendered conceptions, where I think the term 'adulting' relates). Media in general (including social media) has given people ways of propagating new conceptions of best ways to live. It allows people to realize there are alternative options, as well as finding groups of like-minded. Sadly, I think that diversity in the concept feeds some insecurity in those loudmouths, who then as you say use the same media as a bullhorn to pick fights over it, and they too find groups that provide validation for their anger and bigotry.Again, I didn't say any of this was new (although online manly-item-crates is the modern variety). I wondered aloud if their marketing of 'buy this and you'll be manly' was a (commercial instead of sociopolitical) parallel to the mechanism of the above online loudmouths with bullhorns selling their group-identity as resisters of the perceived unmanliness as an avenue to manliness.Society in general certainly has vacillated on weight and status many times. Being thin could mean unable to feed oneself, or many different diseases we rarely see now. Thickness also could mean you weren't a laborer, and thus must be a person of leisure or a rich industrialist who could hire people to labor for them. It's certainly changed for white collar western world types like me, where the lower calorie food is the expensive ones and time and energy to exercise are a luxury.</blockquote>

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