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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8803250" data-attributes="member: 15700">Not to pick on you two specifically, you just happen to be the most recent comments.  I think it bears reminding that no one in this thread is a bad person.  The subject is, and I don't want to see us start getting into heated arguments or making inferred aspersions to anothers' character with each other, because that shifts the "blame" from the one who deserves it.I think it's important to recognize the context of the subject and his actions, and how that impacts us all differently and thus recognize how that may impact comments to one another.  I think this is important because it's been made personal with several folks.  Either people who have been directly attacked by Justin, or those who have been indirectly attacked by people like Justin and the efforts they make to attack others (advocating policy to harm LGBTQ+ folks, for example).  It's human nature to react with more...passion when feeling like you're attacked.  Sometimes that may cloud our perception of things.  For example, if I were being personally attacked by Justin, it wouldn't be unusual for me to see everything and anything he does through that lens of hostility and insult him back, even for things that may be pretty minor or are non-issues.  The point I'm trying to make is, by making it personal with actual strong feelings on the topic, I think that is causing us to talk over each other a bit.  The two quotes above illustrate this.Please correct me if I got any of this wrong, but from what I can tell, you've got LordEntrails saying that we shouldn't manufacture things to be outraged about regarding people we despise and bully them for it, because it doesn't make us better.  I think as a stand-alone statement (take Justin out of it), that sounds pretty reasonable. But then we've got folks like Bolares, who has/is being actively harmed by people just like Justin, advocating the same things Justin advocates.  So it's equally reasonable to expect a strong response to interpret LordEntrails statement in a non-charitable way, and to make a strongly worded statement (hill to die on).I don't want it to get lost that both of you can be correct, and neither of you are the enemy of each other.  People like Justin bring out the worst in us, so just keep that in mind and perhaps give each other in this thread a bit of the benefit of the doubt knowing that.  Allow some grace to the other that someone may have worded something more poorly than they intended.  That's all.sorry for the rant.  I'm not very good at expressing what I'm trying to get at.</blockquote>

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