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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9031191" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>Fair point about the ape. Though when the Centauri come to Earth and can't hold copyrights on their Faqooli music I think they're going to be super upset and possibly conquer us.</p><p></p><p>As far as "Free Will" and "Lifetimes" are concerned, though, that's some dubious ground to stand on, philosophically. Much less legally.</p><p></p><p>The only point I actually take issue to in your post, however, is the use of the word "Delusion". Because it ignores a basic tenet of language and reality in favor of trying to force things into a narrow conception of reality. Specifically: Everything is made up and the points don't matter.</p><p></p><p>Personhood is often ascribed to things that are no more -human- than other things. Like an AI and a Rock in your example. However personhood can -only- be ascribed to things regardless of their actual function toward personhood because personhood doesn't mean "Human". We -personify- objects and animals. We ascribe to them humanlike traits. We talk about temperamental machines for example but no one thinks their car is actually human even if it has anthropomorphic traits ascribed to it. No matter how gently we talk to it while turning the key and begging the engine to turn over.</p><p></p><p>However. In the case of Artificial Intelligence those humanlike traits, the personification, is the -goal-. It exists exclusively as an attempt to create a thinking device, something that does what humans do in the way that humans conceive it. </p><p></p><p>And while Stabby the Roomba certainly isn't Data from Star Trek, that is the eventual goal. Ascribing personification to AI is markedly different to personifying a rock.</p><p></p><p>After all, a rock can't gaslight you about your marriage like ChatGPT can. Does it understand what it's doing? Not <strong><em>yet</em></strong>.</p><p></p><p>That yet should either excite or terrify, depending on whether you enjoyed "<em>The Measure of a Man</em>" from NexGen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9031191, member: 6796468"] Fair point about the ape. Though when the Centauri come to Earth and can't hold copyrights on their Faqooli music I think they're going to be super upset and possibly conquer us. As far as "Free Will" and "Lifetimes" are concerned, though, that's some dubious ground to stand on, philosophically. Much less legally. The only point I actually take issue to in your post, however, is the use of the word "Delusion". Because it ignores a basic tenet of language and reality in favor of trying to force things into a narrow conception of reality. Specifically: Everything is made up and the points don't matter. Personhood is often ascribed to things that are no more -human- than other things. Like an AI and a Rock in your example. However personhood can -only- be ascribed to things regardless of their actual function toward personhood because personhood doesn't mean "Human". We -personify- objects and animals. We ascribe to them humanlike traits. We talk about temperamental machines for example but no one thinks their car is actually human even if it has anthropomorphic traits ascribed to it. No matter how gently we talk to it while turning the key and begging the engine to turn over. However. In the case of Artificial Intelligence those humanlike traits, the personification, is the -goal-. It exists exclusively as an attempt to create a thinking device, something that does what humans do in the way that humans conceive it. And while Stabby the Roomba certainly isn't Data from Star Trek, that is the eventual goal. Ascribing personification to AI is markedly different to personifying a rock. After all, a rock can't gaslight you about your marriage like ChatGPT can. Does it understand what it's doing? Not [B][I]yet[/I][/B]. That yet should either excite or terrify, depending on whether you enjoyed "[I]The Measure of a Man[/I]" from NexGen. [/QUOTE]
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