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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9570802" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>They did redefine Aberration to a degree, they literally talk about that in the video. And they also mentioned that playable Gith are humanoid. So, you have a species that can be defined as both, meaning it is on the border of the two. Should I then be shocked that they are somewhat human-like? You say they are "obviously" not utterly alien, but I don't know where you get that idea from. That isn't obvious to me at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And Githyanki instill Mind Flayers with fear, causing them to flee and hide. So the horrifically dangerous monsters are TERRIFIED of them. What's that make them? Bland and uninteresting?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not blaming you for anything. I'm stating facts. WoTC never once made the claim that Gith were made into Aberrations because they lay eggs. WoTC never mentioned eggs at all in regards to the Gith. It is a non-issue to get upset that they were changed because they lay eggs. You may as well get upset that they did it because BG3 made them too popular and WoTC wanted to prevent them from being put in the PHB. It has no basis on anything they said.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is also applied to South American tribal people, Christian Crusaders, Muslim warriors... "disciplined and fanatic" isn't asian coding. Yes, it is something used for the Samurai, but that alone isn't enough. The yellow skin might be enough, but a lot of the artwork also shows them with green-skin. They've been described as "frog-like" while most Yellow Terror propaganda was aimed at making the Asian people appear rat-like. </p><p></p><p>Is there absolutely nothing there? No, there is a little bit there. But it is mostly in the Githzerai and likely because of the religious roots of their inspiration, not the racial roots.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I'm aware of all of that. That's why I used the dwarf example, because it took an aspect of them that is true (they worship a pantheon of the gods) and stretched it to fit a racial archetype. My example was intentionally wrong, to point out how I am seeing you stretch this. Not that you are stretching to the extreme I did there, but I think you are stretching.</p><p></p><p>And if the only thing that has changed is that the Gith living in the planes are just on the other side of the line between humanoid and Abberration.. then this isn't that egregious. Certainly no more egregious than the Aztec-coded Yuan-Ti being Monstrosities, or the potential Romani influences you can find in the Kenku who were also made monstrosities. It is something to keep an eye on, but it isn't something to start burning the book over.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So succubi were humanoid? They are "human-shaped, roughly human-sized corporeal beings". Same with Golems right? We certainly didn't have Planetars or Ogres or any of a dozen other monsters that were "human-shaped, roughly human-sized corporeal beings" that weren't listed as Humanoid until 2019, right?</p><p></p><p></p><p>To you. </p><p></p><p>There is no rational, logical or game-balance justification TO YOU. It is perverse and bizarre TO YOU. </p><p></p><p>I can't give you anything other than speculation. Write a letter to Crawford asking for the meeting minutes where it was decided I guess, but stop acting like they clearly did it for the lulz. They had a reason. We only have their word to go on, and they SPECIFICALLY addressed this point. You don't believe them and think they are lying.... cool. What do you want me to do about the fact that you think they are lying? Get angry and demand they tell us something else that you will think is a lie unless it matches your expectations?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9570802, member: 6801228"] They did redefine Aberration to a degree, they literally talk about that in the video. And they also mentioned that playable Gith are humanoid. So, you have a species that can be defined as both, meaning it is on the border of the two. Should I then be shocked that they are somewhat human-like? You say they are "obviously" not utterly alien, but I don't know where you get that idea from. That isn't obvious to me at all. And Githyanki instill Mind Flayers with fear, causing them to flee and hide. So the horrifically dangerous monsters are TERRIFIED of them. What's that make them? Bland and uninteresting? I'm not blaming you for anything. I'm stating facts. WoTC never once made the claim that Gith were made into Aberrations because they lay eggs. WoTC never mentioned eggs at all in regards to the Gith. It is a non-issue to get upset that they were changed because they lay eggs. You may as well get upset that they did it because BG3 made them too popular and WoTC wanted to prevent them from being put in the PHB. It has no basis on anything they said. It is also applied to South American tribal people, Christian Crusaders, Muslim warriors... "disciplined and fanatic" isn't asian coding. Yes, it is something used for the Samurai, but that alone isn't enough. The yellow skin might be enough, but a lot of the artwork also shows them with green-skin. They've been described as "frog-like" while most Yellow Terror propaganda was aimed at making the Asian people appear rat-like. Is there absolutely nothing there? No, there is a little bit there. But it is mostly in the Githzerai and likely because of the religious roots of their inspiration, not the racial roots. Yes, I'm aware of all of that. That's why I used the dwarf example, because it took an aspect of them that is true (they worship a pantheon of the gods) and stretched it to fit a racial archetype. My example was intentionally wrong, to point out how I am seeing you stretch this. Not that you are stretching to the extreme I did there, but I think you are stretching. And if the only thing that has changed is that the Gith living in the planes are just on the other side of the line between humanoid and Abberration.. then this isn't that egregious. Certainly no more egregious than the Aztec-coded Yuan-Ti being Monstrosities, or the potential Romani influences you can find in the Kenku who were also made monstrosities. It is something to keep an eye on, but it isn't something to start burning the book over. So succubi were humanoid? They are "human-shaped, roughly human-sized corporeal beings". Same with Golems right? We certainly didn't have Planetars or Ogres or any of a dozen other monsters that were "human-shaped, roughly human-sized corporeal beings" that weren't listed as Humanoid until 2019, right? To you. There is no rational, logical or game-balance justification TO YOU. It is perverse and bizarre TO YOU. I can't give you anything other than speculation. Write a letter to Crawford asking for the meeting minutes where it was decided I guess, but stop acting like they clearly did it for the lulz. They had a reason. We only have their word to go on, and they SPECIFICALLY addressed this point. You don't believe them and think they are lying.... cool. What do you want me to do about the fact that you think they are lying? Get angry and demand they tell us something else that you will think is a lie unless it matches your expectations? [/QUOTE]
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