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The Great Nerf to High Level Martials: The New Grapple Rules
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9240213" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Sure, that doesn't really change the point even if you bring her up to 12th level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I noted she has been tied to chairs with normal rope, and restrained by what are effectively bandits. I don't think you can justify her having the strength of giants, yet being man-handled by Steve the Thug when caught off-guard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Would you like to point to the rules in the PHB, under Manacles, where they say they are immune to damage from whips? I missed it. It just says they have 15 hp. And since a whip can kill a creature made of stone (Earth Elemental, Ghaleb Dhur, ect) and a creature made of metal (Animated Armor, Helmed Horror, Shield Guardian, ect) I don't see where you justify saying that it cannot harm metal. And the entire rest of this section relies on that false assumption. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can make up terms all you want. Mountains aren't "unattended objects" and the level 8 Earthquake spell cannot shatter the peaks of multiple mountains. I mean, can you even provide a set of abilities in RAW DnD that a melee character could use to make a single strike and shake a planet? </p><p></p><p>Sure, he has "unearthly monstrous strength" whatever you decide to define that as. The limit of strength in DnD is 30. Do you think a 30 strength as presented in DnD has ever shaken a planet with a single blow?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9240213, member: 6801228"] Sure, that doesn't really change the point even if you bring her up to 12th level. And I noted she has been tied to chairs with normal rope, and restrained by what are effectively bandits. I don't think you can justify her having the strength of giants, yet being man-handled by Steve the Thug when caught off-guard. Would you like to point to the rules in the PHB, under Manacles, where they say they are immune to damage from whips? I missed it. It just says they have 15 hp. And since a whip can kill a creature made of stone (Earth Elemental, Ghaleb Dhur, ect) and a creature made of metal (Animated Armor, Helmed Horror, Shield Guardian, ect) I don't see where you justify saying that it cannot harm metal. And the entire rest of this section relies on that false assumption. You can make up terms all you want. Mountains aren't "unattended objects" and the level 8 Earthquake spell cannot shatter the peaks of multiple mountains. I mean, can you even provide a set of abilities in RAW DnD that a melee character could use to make a single strike and shake a planet? Sure, he has "unearthly monstrous strength" whatever you decide to define that as. The limit of strength in DnD is 30. Do you think a 30 strength as presented in DnD has ever shaken a planet with a single blow? [/QUOTE]
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