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The Intelligent Fighter , Thibault's Circle / La Destreza.
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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7619507" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Well the 4e fighter, specifically was originally designed around S&B vs two-hander. TWF was added later (with a defender spin, vs the Ranger's TWF, and the Ranger also covered archery, while the rogue covered the lighter DEX-based styles... and got a Duelist build in Dragon, IIRC). </p><p></p><p>So feature would seem to be the place to insert a one-handed-weapon emphasis, an alternative to S&B, Greatweapon, Tempest, etc... it could swap in INT, and incentivize the single one-handed weapon.</p><p></p><p> What's the use of INT To the rogue in that case? No skill ranks or Combat Expertise preq like in 3e, redundant w/DEX-primary for AC/REF. In any case, the Rogue or Fighter question really boils down to Striker or Defender. </p><p></p><p>If it's just DPR, 4e rogue (except no use for INT), Essentials Slayer or Thief (w/Melee Training: INT and good DEX, though it'd be sub-optimal compared to going all-in on DEX), or 5e fighter (Dueling style, ignoring the shield/twf synergy and lack of anything to do with INT) could all serve. If it's more about maneuvers & tactics, a 3e fighter centered around Combat Expertise could capture some of it, but would still need a lot of DEX for the Finesse, an Essentials Knight (again, w/sub-optimal melee training:INT), or 5e BM (unfortunately Sentinel brings the shield back into it, & no use for INT), could all be RaW alternatives. Adding a Fighter build to cover the concept could be kept as simple as alternative Feature or two.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7619507, member: 996"] Well the 4e fighter, specifically was originally designed around S&B vs two-hander. TWF was added later (with a defender spin, vs the Ranger's TWF, and the Ranger also covered archery, while the rogue covered the lighter DEX-based styles... and got a Duelist build in Dragon, IIRC). So feature would seem to be the place to insert a one-handed-weapon emphasis, an alternative to S&B, Greatweapon, Tempest, etc... it could swap in INT, and incentivize the single one-handed weapon. What's the use of INT To the rogue in that case? No skill ranks or Combat Expertise preq like in 3e, redundant w/DEX-primary for AC/REF. In any case, the Rogue or Fighter question really boils down to Striker or Defender. If it's just DPR, 4e rogue (except no use for INT), Essentials Slayer or Thief (w/Melee Training: INT and good DEX, though it'd be sub-optimal compared to going all-in on DEX), or 5e fighter (Dueling style, ignoring the shield/twf synergy and lack of anything to do with INT) could all serve. If it's more about maneuvers & tactics, a 3e fighter centered around Combat Expertise could capture some of it, but would still need a lot of DEX for the Finesse, an Essentials Knight (again, w/sub-optimal melee training:INT), or 5e BM (unfortunately Sentinel brings the shield back into it, & no use for INT), could all be RaW alternatives. Adding a Fighter build to cover the concept could be kept as simple as alternative Feature or two. [/QUOTE]
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