The Missing Dragons

[Krishnath]

Personally, I would rather see the missing chromatics as independant draconic species instead of as crossbreeds, as the crossbreeding concept of different draconic species cheapens the concept of dragons. Although dragons can and do crossbreed with one another on occassion, this crossbreeding evenetually causes the evolution of new species. In the 2E article about the three missing chromatic dragons, it is even suggested that the purple, orange, and yellow dragons are infact their own species. But alas, I'm beginning to rant.

Now, If we make them as autnomous species, they can still originally have been crossbreeds. But the dragons genes allows them to produce wiable offspring with any creature (Yes, even with golems, oozes, plants, and undead, YUCK!). This offspring will be a very viable individual and will be fertile. (Yes dragon vampires can produce offspring with living creatures, sounds stupid but it's true. ) So for example a cross between a blue and a red, will be a purple dragon, and if two purple dragons get together to produce offspring they will breed true, in other words, their offspring will all be purple dragons.

But what I find interresting is that only two of the 'missing' chromatics are color crosses, as you cannot combine any of the original cromatics to create a yellow dragon. Also, I find it interresting that the 'crossbreeds' (I hate calling them that) possess abilities that neither of their 'parent' species have, such as the serrated teeth and claws of the purple dragon.

Now, as I said, I would rather see them as independant species, and that is what I am conversting the purple dragon as, an independant species.

If you can help me with my dilemmas I would welcome any ideas you might have, but unfortunatly having their breathweapon deal two types of damage is very hard to do in 3E.
Regarding the purple dragons breathweapon, personally I would rather have it deal some other type of damage rather than fire and/or electricity.
I have narrowed down its breathweapon shape to a line (discarding the other two forms.) as I think that would be the most effective shape of an energy breathweapon.
The main trouble I am having with the breathweapon is determing what energy type to use as neither fire or electricity will cut it. Force perhaps? I'm leaning towards going with a light based breathweapon, as this will go well with the breathweapons described bling qualities.
Also I need help with determening what immunitied the dragon should have. I might give it immunities to fire and blindness or some such. And I still need good ideas for spells to replace the following two with:

Affect Normal Fires (juvenile)
Fire Charm (adult)

Any ideas would be appreciated.

 

[NeghVar]

Krishnath,

We can agree to disagree on backgrounds?

Me personally...I am just looking for 1E/2E conversions to 3E and not a new species?

Let's hammer out updating what is at hand then workout any differing preferences for backgraounds?

What you think?

 

[Krishnath]

NeghVar: Fine by me, but some thing will still be lost in the conversion, now as I see it, making the breathweapon light based makes a lot of sense, as both fire and electricity produce light, although in different amounts. But light is still the only thing common between the two. Making the breathweapon light based also causes the blinding quality of it to make sense. What do you think?

Also the two spell-like abilities above need to be replaced, as none of those spells have been converted to 3E. Remember to think spells that would be good in melee, as the dragons description mentions that it prefers melee...

We need to establish a subtype (light perhaps?) and immunities also.

As always, your comments are welcome.

Later,

 

[Kevida]

You guys are the best that's all I have to say

 

[Krishnath]

What, thats all? come on, we need some opinions here people!

 

[Kevida]

What, thats all? come on, we need some opinions here people!

Opinions? Well as far as "subtype" here is my 2 CP:
Purple: Dragon (Force) because the fire and lightning essentially creates plamsa wich is an explosive "force"
Orange: Dragon (Water) Since that's the closest thing to describe it and there is no "Alkaline" subtype. Also since the liquid the Orange Dragon produces is as caustic as the Black Dragon's acid but with the opposite Ph reading
Yellow: I concur with making that one an Earth subtype

 

[Krishnath]

Now, that is what I am talking about, sharing your opinions is good.

Anyways, I don't agree with the purple dragons subtype being, as 'plasma' is not really a force, but rather the basic components of the elements of the periodic table (electrons, neutrons and protons a plenty) that has been heated to such a degree that the bond that keeps them together fails. Whereas Force is somethin that generally holds something together or protect from something (Such as a Forcefield or similar things). If anything plasma is the oposite of force. Now I am open to suggestions and I really shouldn't involve quantum physichs in D&D, but plasma it is not something that fits in a fantasy world. (What would be next, plasma cannons? )

Now as I mentioned earlier, I was thinking of giving the pruple dragon the light subtype, as both electricity and fire produce ample amounts of it. Also if we made the breathweapon lightbased (still dealing damage though.) we could keep the blinding qualities that has been attributed to it.
Also should the breathweapon be a cone or a line?

Later, and keep the comments and ideas comming.

 

[Kevida]

Well the reason I suggested "force" was because I felt that the raw energy from the fire and lighting was making a concussive "force", but "light" works as well.
What was your opinion on the "water" subtype of the Orange Dragon?

 

[Krishnath]

Doesn't sound feasible if it is the one with the 'napalm' breathweapon, as that just screams magma at me, or earth if you prefer. But to tell the truth, I'll finish the purple one before going towards the orange.

Now, for the purple's breathweapon, should it be a cone, a line, or a cloud (similar to the dragon turtle).

Also the spell-likes, I need some replacements due to the lack of some spells in 3E. The spells that need replacing are the following:

Affect Normal Fires (juvenile)
Fire Charm (adult)

Any ideas? I'm making it a melee expert (makes sense, when you consider the serrated teeth and claws.) so the spells should be usefull for the dragon in close combat or be 'miscalaneous' spells, like the Locate Object of the red and Hallunicatory Terrain of the blue dragon.

Later,

 

[Kevida]

I say it should be a line for the actual energy. However the "Blinding Light" should be a cone to reflect the fact that the energy released is so intense.