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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9437997" data-attributes="member: 58172">Yeah, the jǫtnar are places in the Material Plane. For example, the jǫtunn Dofri is a manifestation of the mountain range of Dofri (today Dovre-fjell).Likewise the jǫtnar include elementals such as: Logi, Kári, and Hlér who are fire, air, and water, respectively. Jǫrð is earth.Miðgarðr in the sense of the barrier itself, appears to be the mountain ranges that encircle the continent. In this case, jǫtnar inhabit these mountainous barriers. Norse have a sense of living among the jǫtnar, ִcomprising the troll, risar and þursar, as do Sámi and Finlander with similar concepts. If I remember a particular description correctly, one can walk from Sweden in the east, westward across the mountains of Norway to Jǫtunheimr, then sail over the ocean to Útgarðr. Note, there are Norwegian families who claim descent from various jǫtnar.Níðhǫggr seems like a guardian at the threshold between the region of the living and the region of the dead. Descriptions locate this dragon in Hvergelmir, the arctic ocean. Altho Hel is underground, the gateway to get down there is in the extreme north in Niflheimr. Meanwhile the arctic north seems lifeless compared to the abundance of natural life farther south.Since this dragon gnaws on the northerly root of Yggdrasill, the dead would seem to encounter it on their way to Hel.The æsir feel equivalent to Fey, albeit skyey rather than &quot;woodsy&quot;. Same with the Norse alfar − they are skyey, not woodsy.By contrast, the vanir, associate with warm fertile seabreezes, whence coastlands, farmlands, and wilderness areas that are lush with plantlife. The vanir are probably still skyey, with Freyr associating with fertile weather including gentle sunlight, whence likely his connection with the alfar.The trǫll are woodsy. In later folkbelief, the term &quot;trǫll&quot; seems to serve as a loan translation of the English term &quot;faierie&quot;, both meaning &quot;magic&quot;, enchantment. One can make the case that the jǫtnar translate into D&amp;D Fey.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9437997, member: 58172"] Yeah, the jǫtnar are places in the Material Plane. For example, the jǫtunn Dofri is a manifestation of the mountain range of Dofri (today Dovre-fjell). Likewise the jǫtnar include elementals such as: Logi, Kári, and Hlér who are fire, air, and water, respectively. Jǫrð is earth. Miðgarðr in the sense of the barrier itself, appears to be the mountain ranges that encircle the continent. In this case, jǫtnar inhabit these mountainous barriers. Norse have a sense of living among the jǫtnar, ִcomprising the troll, risar and þursar, as do Sámi and Finlander with similar concepts. If I remember a particular description correctly, one can walk from Sweden in the east, westward across the mountains of Norway to Jǫtunheimr, then sail over the ocean to Útgarðr. Note, there are Norwegian families who claim descent from various jǫtnar. Níðhǫggr seems like a guardian at the threshold between the region of the living and the region of the dead. Descriptions locate this dragon in Hvergelmir, the arctic ocean. Altho Hel is underground, the gateway to get down there is in the extreme north in Niflheimr. Meanwhile the arctic north seems lifeless compared to the abundance of natural life farther south. Since this dragon gnaws on the northerly root of Yggdrasill, the dead would seem to encounter it on their way to Hel. The æsir feel equivalent to Fey, albeit skyey rather than "woodsy". Same with the Norse alfar − they are skyey, not woodsy. By contrast, the vanir, associate with warm fertile seabreezes, whence coastlands, farmlands, and wilderness areas that are lush with plantlife. The vanir are probably still skyey, with Freyr associating with fertile weather including gentle sunlight, whence likely his connection with the alfar. The trǫll are woodsy. In later folkbelief, the term "trǫll" seems to serve as a loan translation of the English term "faierie", both meaning "magic", enchantment. One can make the case that the jǫtnar translate into D&D Fey. [/QUOTE]

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