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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7896366" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You know, I try so hard to reign in my naturally sarcastic tendencies, but sometimes people make it so hard. That bolded bit, the one where you are talking about 3.X or Pathfinder? Games that I have acknowledged are far more complex than 5e? That is your problem here.Of course people familiar with 3.X will find 5e simpler, it is simpler than 3.X. Just like earning a Bachelors degree is easier than a Masters degree. But, for someone who has never played an RPG before? Who doesn't own dice and have never seen a die other than a d6? They find 5e highly complex. Because as a game to get started on, 5e is complex, more complex than a game like Dread. Which is an RPG where you pull blocks from a Jenga tower (that is the only resolution mechanic) and character creation is a personality Quiz. I know people keep bringing in board games is fine, and I agree with them, but you don't even need to. Their are RPGs that are far less complex than 5e that prove the exact same point. There is a scale of complexity. "Dread"< DnD 5e < Shadowrun 4e</blockquote>