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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2273267" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey Baranovan mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Of course.Not at all, Challenge Ratings remain consistent throughout. Simply that the higher in challenge rating you go the more the impossible becomes possible.Which means its not a case of the same mechanics over and over again with higher numbers, but also fresh perspectives and new possibilities....so...get a better one. Increase your constitution with Great Constitution. Increase your hit points with Improved Toughness. Dominate someone (preferably a barbarian with hundreds of hit points), imbue with spell ability (shield other) then use a wish and permanency - hey presto, an extra few hundred hit points. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Tastes like chicken more like. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />As Valeria would say, "Do you want to live forever." Vile damage is simply vile damage, not permanent damage. It means you have to cast a consecrate or hallow spell before you can heal up. Or it means you have to wait until the end of the battle to heal. Or you can quickened planeshift (or teleport) to holy ground then heal and then planeshift/teleport back again (assuming you are not fighting on holy ground already or have no consecrate/hallow spells).Permanent damage is permanent damage, not vile damage. You can't heal it because there is nothing left 'to' heal.Two different things.Firstly, its not broken at all, you're simply scared of it...which was indirectly the point in the first place.Secondly they already have epic monsters (in the ELH) that deal permanent damage and these are CR 23 and 26 respectively. You could even be fighting them at non-epic levels according to WotC.Thirdly I give the option in the text itself on how to reverse this effect. Its incredulous that you're still busting my chops over it! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> How in the Nine Hells is permanent death okay by you, but permanent damage isn't!?...oh, and who says I don't have creatures that kill permanently. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> A 'point' of constitution. At epic levels. Hardly a cause for concern.No one has forced anyone into melee with anything.But you have just already given me carte blanche to retire characters by making them non-resurrectable - so whats the difference here?</blockquote>

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