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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2277629" data-attributes="member: 326">Heya mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Cheeky. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> So then how would you rate, say for instance, Vile Damage?So mechanically it does exactly the same as energy drain and ability drain/loss and vile/sacred damage UNTIL such effects are restored/healed. See above.I thought I already explained how do determine its new CR.Hard, but not impossible. All we need do is determine the average after all.Never say never. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Its powerful like that.Permanent damage stays, it perfectly suits the creatures concerned. However I may make the miracle/wish restoration legal rather than optional...I don't want to have to foot the bill for the tissues needed to mop up all the tears here.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Of course that may reduce it to a mere x4 modifier. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> In terms of epic play thats just nothing though.For what its worth you have given me an idea for another ability (not the above, but something similar). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Energy Drain is relatively weak, easily blocked, easily fixed and for many deities (who are immune) irrelevant. Same problem with Ability Drain/Loss.I think it can quite easily.</blockquote>

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