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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2281937" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey Kalanyr mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Except that I already stated exactly how lost hit points affects your CR/ECL. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />The problem faced would be exactly the same whether or not the damage was caused by normal or vile damage or constitution drain/loss, or energy drain. Permanent damage is simply far harder to heal.I would use the word foreboding rather than depressing.Think of it as erasing hit points so that they never existed. For instance a human can't use regeneration to grow a third arm. Technically not true, as I mentioned above, I already showed how their CR/ECL changes.Also your above dichotomy was not really fair. A loss of 4 levels on a level 20 character would be consistant with a loss of 20% of a characters hit points - not 75%. Unless he has access to, or the wealth to purchase limited wishes and wishes, yes.Be thankful that there is now a 'get out of jail free' card with regards permanent damage.  Glad to hear it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Your concerns made sense to me, however, you may not have been up to date with my idea of making the formerly optional recovery method standard instead.</blockquote>

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