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<blockquote data-quote="Gladius Legis" data-source="post: 7034932" data-attributes="member: 68748"><p>That's even MORE dishonest than what you wrote last time. "Especially" in that context meant "in light of" the fact that I established the Ranger's connection to the beast as magical, which it clearly is on some level.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You didn't rebut anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fireball is established as a spell <em>from the very start of 5e</em>. Bypassing DR/magical is established as a class feature <em>from the very start of 5e</em>. Your equivalency is false.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then the Beast Ranger as written clearly does a poor job of making a Jon Snow-type Ranger. The new Beast Conclave Ranger doesn't even get Extra Attack, which would signify Jon Snow's ability to actually, you know, fight with his weapon.*</p><p></p><p>(*That's not even considering that in the ASOIAF books at least, notably A Dance With Dragons, that some sort of magical connection between Jon Snow and Ghost <em>is </em>pretty heavily implied, but that's another can of worms altogether.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>And then said spellcaster uses another spell that's just as good for a different situation. They can do that. The Beast Ranger has ... what exactly?</p><p></p><p></p><p>And what I meant was that because Barbarians/Fighters/non-Beast Rangers/Paladins/etc. make ALL their attacks with their weapon, then if they find a magic weapon, they're breaking DR/magical with their <em>entire</em> offensive capability. I've made that pretty clear the whole time, you've just chosen not to acknowledge it.</p><p></p><p>The Beast Ranger, even if it FINDS a magical weapon, is only going to have it benefit one of the attacks Ranger + Beast make on their turn. Because said Beast Ranger only makes 1 attack/turn. The rest of the attacks go to the beast. So DR/magical hurts the Beast Ranger (w/ a magical weapon) far more than it hurts any other weapon-wielding character.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So what makes a decision meaningful? And does Beast Master as written have the capacity to make meaningful decisions?</p><p></p><p>I can tell you that second question's answer is no.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But why?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hey, a conclusion I just might agree with.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been proposing since forever to replace the proficiency bonus to damage with bypassing DR/magical in the page-long Companion's Bond entry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gladius Legis, post: 7034932, member: 68748"] That's even MORE dishonest than what you wrote last time. "Especially" in that context meant "in light of" the fact that I established the Ranger's connection to the beast as magical, which it clearly is on some level. You didn't rebut anything. Fireball is established as a spell [I]from the very start of 5e[/I]. Bypassing DR/magical is established as a class feature [I]from the very start of 5e[/I]. Your equivalency is false. Then the Beast Ranger as written clearly does a poor job of making a Jon Snow-type Ranger. The new Beast Conclave Ranger doesn't even get Extra Attack, which would signify Jon Snow's ability to actually, you know, fight with his weapon.* (*That's not even considering that in the ASOIAF books at least, notably A Dance With Dragons, that some sort of magical connection between Jon Snow and Ghost [I]is [/I]pretty heavily implied, but that's another can of worms altogether.) And then said spellcaster uses another spell that's just as good for a different situation. They can do that. The Beast Ranger has ... what exactly? And what I meant was that because Barbarians/Fighters/non-Beast Rangers/Paladins/etc. make ALL their attacks with their weapon, then if they find a magic weapon, they're breaking DR/magical with their [I]entire[/I] offensive capability. I've made that pretty clear the whole time, you've just chosen not to acknowledge it. The Beast Ranger, even if it FINDS a magical weapon, is only going to have it benefit one of the attacks Ranger + Beast make on their turn. Because said Beast Ranger only makes 1 attack/turn. The rest of the attacks go to the beast. So DR/magical hurts the Beast Ranger (w/ a magical weapon) far more than it hurts any other weapon-wielding character. So what makes a decision meaningful? And does Beast Master as written have the capacity to make meaningful decisions? I can tell you that second question's answer is no. But why? Hey, a conclusion I just might agree with. I've been proposing since forever to replace the proficiency bonus to damage with bypassing DR/magical in the page-long Companion's Bond entry. [/QUOTE]
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