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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 4788571" data-attributes="member: 198">I was waiting for you to say that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />True, but I don't think it's asking too much to ask the movie to be at least a little thoughtful, which I really didn't find it to be at all. And that's something I'd ask of it anyway, irrespective of the original series, because I really don't expect or want a really faithful rendition of the original. I suspect that's one of the major variations between your expectation/desire of it and mine, hence the difference in opinion. After all, as you saidFor me, getting the characters right really wasn't enough (I'm also not convinced they got Spock right, but that's another matter) for me to really like it. That would help me enjoy the movie, and it did, but for me to consider it to be really good, the movie had to stand on its own merits too.   Heh. I just like there to be a little more to women than looking pretty (or men, for that matter). In this movie, there wasn't. I'll agree about Uhura in TOS, but having a woman (especially a woman of color) doing any job on the bridge was a big step forward when TOS came out. And I didn't see any real updating here. Uhura in this movie does absolutely nothing useful, besides translating a little Romulan. She's also apparently a shoulder for Spock to cry on and something for Kirk to eye and grope, but that's hardly what I'd consider a well-rounded character. Sure, a couple of characters say she's really good at her job, but she actually does nothing, so the character references are meaningless. Admittedly she does more than Bones, whose usefulness apparently ends once he gets Kirk on the Enterprise, but that's not saying much.  BTW, for a damn good take on the one-sided treatment of gender in the movie, check out the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/may/11/star-trek-jjabrams-sexism" target="_blank">Warp Factor Sex</a> review on the Guardian. Thanks. Just don't make me watch the movie again. Which is a very easy way for me to judge whether I really like a movie or not. I was thinking today that I'd happily watch The Wrath of Khan again, and I've already seen it thrice. But the new Star Trek? Nope.</blockquote>

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