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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MongooseFamiliar" data-source="post: 3265046" data-attributes="member: 48667">(This is continuing a debate that has begun elsewhere. Feel free to weigh in. I'm copying and pasting a bunch of stuff from the other thread so you have some context.)In several places I have seen people talking about taking Adaptive Style and using it to recover all their expended maneuvers using a full-round action. A lot of people seem to be reading the text they wish was there rather than what is actually printed on the page for that particular feat. If you are going by the actual text of the feat, it doesn't allow Swordsages to recover maneuvers during combat, just change the ones he has readied. Crusaders are the only ones who can recover maneuvers using Adaptive Style. I made a comment similar to the one above. Someone replied:"So you can change the maneuvers you have readied, right? This we both agree on? Ok, go to the section in Bo9S that describes Readying maneuvers and see what it says there. I don't have the book in front of me, but I will paraphrase... Whenever you Ready maneuvers, they become immediately available to you. Normally Readying maneuvers takes 5 minutes to do. The only thing Adaptive Style does is change the time requirement of Readying maneuvers from 5 minutes to a full-round action. Pretty sweet, huh?"I answered: Readying Maneuvers on p. 38 - "Maneuvers require preparation in the form of exercise, prayer, meditation, or simple mental rehearsal...each class requires 5 minutes of preparation time...you can exchange your previously chosen set of readied maneuvers for a new set of readied maneuvers." Nothing covered here about recovering, just preparing.Recovering Maneuvers on p. 40 - Interestingly enough, it doesn't mention Adaptive Style here. "You begin each encounter with all your readied maneuvers unexpended. When you initiate a maneuver, it is expended - you cannot use it again UNTIL YOU RECOVER IT. You can recover expended maneuvers in two ways: through special actions (the ones listed are the same as those in each class listing) or the end of battle."Adaptive Style on p. 28 - "You can change your readied maneuvers at any time by taking a full-round action. Normal: You can change maneuvers only by spending 5 minutes to do so." The benefit seems to be that if you get into an unexpected situation you can tailor your maneuvers to the situation in one round rather than having to spend five minutes. Except for the crusader, nothing is mentioned regarding RECOVERING maneuvers.Sorry, but I don't think Adaptive Style can just remove the necessary limiter on the Swordsage's power. They know more maneuvers and can have more readied than either of the other classes. The trade-off is that they can't get them back as quickly.Reading "change readied maneuvers" as "I get to use everything again" is pretty selective interpretation and totally ignoring A) the text of the Adaptive Style feat and B) the Recovering Maneuvers text on p. 40. It is, to be blunt, wishful thinking.The response:Take another look at page 38, first paragraph under READYING MANEUVERS, last sentence:Quote:Only your readied maneuvers are available for immediate use.And as you already quoted Adaptive Style:Quote:You can change your readied maneuvers at any time by taking a full-round action.So if you take a full round action to change your readied maneuvers, and your readied maneuvers are avaiable for immediate use... Well, I am not quite sure how else you can read/understand that!?Selective interpretation? I think not. Perhaps you have selective quoting of the rules?Oh, and here is something else I am sure you will want to discount:Quote:One of the questions from "Ask Wizards," on 08/28/2006.Q: If you take the Adaptive Style feat (Tome of Battle, pg. 28), can you pick new maneuvers and/or ready all maneuvers by spending a full-round action in the middle of combat?A: Yes, you can use Adaptive Style to pick new maneuvers in the middle of combat. Since you are picking new maneuvers, they would all be readied. This is a clear advantage for a class such as the swordsage, who normally has to spend a full round action to recover a single maneuver, and would be a great feat to pick up. Responses:"And if you have no ready manuvers to switch out, or if you've used some of your maneuvers, is it your contention that using Adaptive Style will automatically refresh the spent maneuvers?In other words, if a Swordsage has used all the maneuvers available to him in a long combat, do you believe it is the correct interpretation of the rules that he can use Adaptive Style to recover all his previously spent manuvers with a single full-round action?Because that's the issue we're talking about here. We're not caring that the switched maneuvers are immediately ready, because that's not the issue.There are times when "Ask Wizards" comes up with the wrong answer..."""Only your readied maneuvers are available for immediate use" is a constraint on availability and nothing more. Readied maneuvers are NOT necessarily available for immediate use, because for instance their slots might have been expended. Readying maneuvers and recovering them seem to be separate activities.That being said, the combination of rules CAN be interpreted to assume that the act of choosing maneuvers for readying also causes a recovery cycle since that is usually what happens when new maneuvers are readied. However, this is not a certainty, and DM's are within their rights to rule differently (or ban the feat, if it comes to that)."------If you wish to read the discussion in its entirety, it is here: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?p=3265018&posted=1#post3265018" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?p=3265018&posted=1#post3265018</a>Sorry for the length, but I figured that as long as there was a contention we might as well give it a separate thread and get out of the poor guy's thread we were derailing.Have at it, folks.</blockquote>

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