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<blockquote data-quote="Fighter1" data-source="post: 2773176" data-attributes="member: 39381"><p>No problem</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is actually not a point buy system (at least as defined directly or indirectly by publishers). Point buy involves no dice at all. I am not necessarily critizing your character for the high scores just pointing out he can do far more than most can because of those stats.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok…follow ya…</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now that is just plain bigotry! :--) I am going to sue you over discrimination of dump stats!!!! :--) You think that just because my fighter can’t get a good diplomacy roll as yours yours is better than mine! :--) My lawyer will answer that question in court!!! :--)</p><p></p><p>I read to much OoTS</p><p></p><p>Just kidding…</p><p></p><p>But honestly that is really not the case at all. For example a 10th level fighter (so he gets two points for leveling as well) with a 40 point buy:</p><p></p><p>Strength: 18</p><p>Dexterity: 16</p><p>Constitution: 14</p><p>Intelligence: 14</p><p>Wisdom: 14</p><p>Charisma: 10</p><p></p><p>A fighter can choose all sorts of cross-class skills to round out the character concept; mine usually do. However they are also skills that tend to be either combat oriented (fighter skills – ya got to know how to ride and swim!) and social stuff; not the sleight of hand and such that your character chose. More along the language and knowledge, diplomacy and such.</p><p></p><p>With the build above here I use Breastplate and take the endurance feat to go with it and get nearly the same benefit as full plate (full plate with a zero dex mod). I could move a few numbers around and get other scores higher or lower…</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Any fighter can do this regardless of concept; one just needs to know how to take feats as a wizard takes spells; with forethought (which you obviously have). For example your character here could take many of those same feats whilst being a Sword & Board Fighter or using a two handed weapon.</p><p></p><p>For example I LOVE I mean LOVE Shock Trooper. Why? Well it allows me to use the Bull Rush action for a lot of fun stuff including knocking two bad guys on their arse! But that is not all! I do it so I am not the only guy that gets the AoO when they go to stand up! Not to mention the Heedless Charge…</p><p></p><p>I have played Sword & Board fighters that had CE, Improved Trip, Improved Disarm, etc. It works all ways</p><p> </p><p>I also adore Cleaving – awesome mechanic. If I take great cleave I can even cleave on AoO’s! This is one of those feats truly meant for a fighter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is preference; in my own book that is a liability; many dexterity type fighters (such as TWF) get weapon focus and such because they already know what weapons they’ll be using. Sure it might change; but the +2 with the two weapon focus feats is equal to two levels of fighter with regards to BAB. Most people in general use the same weapons throughout their character’s career; some may jump around…but most don’t from my experience.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again with the stats this character has you can do all that with ease. With more normal ones you would be hard pressed to be able to do all of this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see what you are saying however, unless you have improved unarmed strike you can’t deal lethal damage with unarmed strikes. But I would say that if your character got into such a situation that he really is not using that +3 to Intelligence and Wisdom very well! :--)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good deal – and thank you for sharing your ideas as they have gotten my own juices going on a few things…</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fighter1, post: 2773176, member: 39381"] No problem That is actually not a point buy system (at least as defined directly or indirectly by publishers). Point buy involves no dice at all. I am not necessarily critizing your character for the high scores just pointing out he can do far more than most can because of those stats. Ok…follow ya… Now that is just plain bigotry! :--) I am going to sue you over discrimination of dump stats!!!! :--) You think that just because my fighter can’t get a good diplomacy roll as yours yours is better than mine! :--) My lawyer will answer that question in court!!! :--) I read to much OoTS Just kidding… But honestly that is really not the case at all. For example a 10th level fighter (so he gets two points for leveling as well) with a 40 point buy: Strength: 18 Dexterity: 16 Constitution: 14 Intelligence: 14 Wisdom: 14 Charisma: 10 A fighter can choose all sorts of cross-class skills to round out the character concept; mine usually do. However they are also skills that tend to be either combat oriented (fighter skills – ya got to know how to ride and swim!) and social stuff; not the sleight of hand and such that your character chose. More along the language and knowledge, diplomacy and such. With the build above here I use Breastplate and take the endurance feat to go with it and get nearly the same benefit as full plate (full plate with a zero dex mod). I could move a few numbers around and get other scores higher or lower… Any fighter can do this regardless of concept; one just needs to know how to take feats as a wizard takes spells; with forethought (which you obviously have). For example your character here could take many of those same feats whilst being a Sword & Board Fighter or using a two handed weapon. For example I LOVE I mean LOVE Shock Trooper. Why? Well it allows me to use the Bull Rush action for a lot of fun stuff including knocking two bad guys on their arse! But that is not all! I do it so I am not the only guy that gets the AoO when they go to stand up! Not to mention the Heedless Charge… I have played Sword & Board fighters that had CE, Improved Trip, Improved Disarm, etc. It works all ways I also adore Cleaving – awesome mechanic. If I take great cleave I can even cleave on AoO’s! This is one of those feats truly meant for a fighter. That is preference; in my own book that is a liability; many dexterity type fighters (such as TWF) get weapon focus and such because they already know what weapons they’ll be using. Sure it might change; but the +2 with the two weapon focus feats is equal to two levels of fighter with regards to BAB. Most people in general use the same weapons throughout their character’s career; some may jump around…but most don’t from my experience. Again with the stats this character has you can do all that with ease. With more normal ones you would be hard pressed to be able to do all of this. I see what you are saying however, unless you have improved unarmed strike you can’t deal lethal damage with unarmed strikes. But I would say that if your character got into such a situation that he really is not using that +3 to Intelligence and Wisdom very well! :--) Good deal – and thank you for sharing your ideas as they have gotten my own juices going on a few things… [/QUOTE]
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