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<blockquote data-quote="Rzach" data-source="post: 4251947" data-attributes="member: 61385"><p>Yeah it's ROLEplaying. But the human feat in 3.x made the other races choices seem worse. I played an elf sorcerer. Lagged behind the party in effectiveness. Played a dwarf fighter. I wasn't as good as the human fighter. </p><p></p><p>It's not apparent at first level. Not even second or third level normally. But by fifth level the difference begins to show. It is harder to make requirements for prestige classes. It is harder to make certain types of characters like two weapon fighters. </p><p></p><p>Yeah you can roleplay your character all you want. Still doesn't change the fact that in a fight you suck. And since we are talking about DUNGEONS & DRAGONS here, and not a White Wolf rpg, combat ability is pretty important. If it wasn't important to the game we wouldn't have so many rules and powers related to it in each edition. </p><p></p><p>Playing a hero is fun. Playing a second rate dwarven fighter who lags behind the tweaked human is not fun. Sub optimal is not fun. So in 3.x non human races equal not fun. Thats my experience.</p><p></p><p>I guess that others may have had other experiences. I like roleplaying but it doesn't help make combat more interesting. If this was another rpg system I wouldn't care. I can play non combat oriented characters all day and enjoy it. But in those systems I don't feel weak because I can't fight. </p><p></p><p>Later,</p><p>Rzach</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rzach, post: 4251947, member: 61385"] Yeah it's ROLEplaying. But the human feat in 3.x made the other races choices seem worse. I played an elf sorcerer. Lagged behind the party in effectiveness. Played a dwarf fighter. I wasn't as good as the human fighter. It's not apparent at first level. Not even second or third level normally. But by fifth level the difference begins to show. It is harder to make requirements for prestige classes. It is harder to make certain types of characters like two weapon fighters. Yeah you can roleplay your character all you want. Still doesn't change the fact that in a fight you suck. And since we are talking about DUNGEONS & DRAGONS here, and not a White Wolf rpg, combat ability is pretty important. If it wasn't important to the game we wouldn't have so many rules and powers related to it in each edition. Playing a hero is fun. Playing a second rate dwarven fighter who lags behind the tweaked human is not fun. Sub optimal is not fun. So in 3.x non human races equal not fun. Thats my experience. I guess that others may have had other experiences. I like roleplaying but it doesn't help make combat more interesting. If this was another rpg system I wouldn't care. I can play non combat oriented characters all day and enjoy it. But in those systems I don't feel weak because I can't fight. Later, Rzach [/QUOTE]
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