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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 9035569">My main reason for mentioning I publish indie was to say I personally don't see WOTC raising their prices as giving me space to raise mine (and even if I did, I don't think that is beneficial for the hobby overall). And I am not saying WOTC can't raise their prices if they need to (I think whether they need and ought to is something people can reasonably debate). I definitely don't think increasing prices are something to celebrate though as they represent a real cost to gamers during a time when prices are increasing but wages are not necessarily keeping up with those prices (people pay more for milk because they have to, but they don't have to buy games). Everyone's cut off point is different and based on their own budget. I know for me, games that are 60 dollars or more I am much, much more reluctant purchase (in fact I don't think I have ever spent that much on an RPG). One concern I have is I have seen arguments by people due to these price increases that 70, 80, 90 or even 100 are more natural price levels for RPG books and that it would be better for publishers, better for the hobby, if people were more willing to spend that on them. I don't think it is a matter of willingness. I think that price level is simply too expensive for most people and it exceeds the value that most would place on a premade RPG and setting (especially since this is a hobby people can make settings and systems for themselves if they really need to). Now not everyone may agree. I am sure plenty of posters have no problem spending those kinds of dollars on a book. . And you are right I did say "us" in that sense. While I don't think what people say in this thread or threads elsewhere online should be mistaken for an official complaint department, I do think companies read these kinds of threads (I know I do). And it is fair for people to voice discontent over prices or other criticisms in them. But I do think WOTC probably pays minimal attention to this kind of thread, and what I had in mind was people expressing opinions that lots of other publishers might see (WOTC is probably too big to pay close attention to a thread like this, smaller publishers and mid level publishers are more likely to observe them). To me this is more about people voicing their concern over prices in general because WOTC is raising theirs (not so much about WOTC). But I agree with you that some behavior crosses the line, especially if they are going after individuals who work at these publishers personally. I've been on the receiving end of that sort of thing, so I do get the concern. And I think reminders from mods can be very helpful in restoring conversations to the proper boundaries if things get too intense Also just as a general point, I do think these threads help shape the overall hobby. The online world and offline world are certainly different, but a lot of these conversations to help set the norms so if people think prices are reasonable, they should weigh in in my view, if they think they are unreasonable they should also weigh in. Fair enough. I still would argue that this is one arena where people can voice their opinion on matters in the hobby. It is a large forum with lots of active threads and quite popular. I do agree it isn't the same as directly contacting a publisher to give them feedback I get this and agree with that aspect of your point.</blockquote>

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