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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 7533028" data-attributes="member: 710">It's hard to say what my biggest problems with the series are, how much it is just nostalgia for all the good parts of the old movies or the old EU, how much of it is resistance to change, and how much it is just genuine more or less objective flaws.Some people describe Rey as Mary Sue because she's too competent, but I believe that is not really that important. I think one of the bigger aspects about it is that it doesn't feel like she is sufficiently challenged by anything and this denies her real growth. Luke's first light saber training isn't so easy, and him deciding to really trust the force and succeeding feels like great growth. ESB adds to it - we don't really know the time frame of his training with Yoda, but we see Luke's transition and how he gains better mastery of the force. We also see him rush out and end up being overwhelmed when facing Vader, both due to the lack of experience and training, but also due to the emotional challenge of learning that the most terrifying and hated villain in the galaxy (and his personal enemy) is his father, and he loses a hand over it. Rey's challenges just always fall flat compared to the journey Luke takes. She learns from a questionable third party that her parents might not be important and fights her way through a group of supposed elite guards, and her final challenge of using the force in the movie is lifting some rocks, which just feels a bit lame compared to what she has already accomplished so far. There are certainly some interesting aspects to her - unlike Luke, she is an unwilling hero in the beginning, and her own encounter with the Dark Side is visually quite interesting (but it also feels a bit too open to interpretation). Overall I think it would have helped if they had really thought up an arc for the trilogy beforehand, or at least after the first. I mean, that is kinda the point of making it a trilogy.</blockquote>

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