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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8141740" data-attributes="member: 6801845">The problem IMHO seems to be that they weren't clear on how the CR system works.&nbsp; The CR system seems to be designed for a group of 4 newbies with no magic, feats or a well balanced class.&nbsp; Add in the fact that attrition makes such a huge difference.&nbsp; I also think too often people play on an open field with no obstacles, hazards, limitations.&nbsp; In other words, if that dragon lands right next to you and tries to take you on like a solo brute, it's not going to be as tough a fight as you would expect.&nbsp; On the other hand if the dragon waits until you're in a canyon and then flies by, toasts the group and flies out of sight; next round it causes an avalanche or magma eruption (or any of a hundred variations) then you have a fight on your hands.I agree that if you allow a 5 minute work day and never adjust the encounter level then it may well be too easy.&nbsp; I think my current group, while fun, is probably the most difficult to not KO every session.&nbsp; But as others have said, you always have more dragons.&nbsp; Or tarrasques.&nbsp; Or half dragon half tarrasques.&nbsp; Personally I found it harder to challenge the group in 4E.&nbsp; Like when the level 21 party took out Lolth in a couple of rounds (who was, in theory a CR 30).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8141740, member: 6801845"] The problem IMHO seems to be that they weren't clear on how the CR system works. The CR system seems to be designed for a group of 4 newbies with no magic, feats or a well balanced class. Add in the fact that attrition makes such a huge difference. I also think too often people play on an open field with no obstacles, hazards, limitations. In other words, if that dragon lands right next to you and tries to take you on like a solo brute, it's not going to be as tough a fight as you would expect. On the other hand if the dragon waits until you're in a canyon and then flies by, toasts the group and flies out of sight; next round it causes an avalanche or magma eruption (or any of a hundred variations) then you have a fight on your hands. I agree that if you allow a 5 minute work day and never adjust the encounter level then it may well be too easy. I think my current group, while fun, is probably the most difficult to not KO every session. But as others have said, you always have more dragons. Or tarrasques. Or half dragon half tarrasques. Personally I found it harder to challenge the group in 4E. Like when the level 21 party took out Lolth in a couple of rounds (who was, in theory a CR 30). [/QUOTE]

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