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<blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 8142552" data-attributes="member: 6687260">I don't get this healing thing.&nbsp; The absurd part of it has always been the Cleric.&nbsp; And it's been there right from the beginning.&nbsp; Have people just been looking at it for so long that they can't see it?It was always obvious back in Ad&amp;d days that the game was unworkable without a Cleric and somewhat absurd with it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Half you face hacked off?&nbsp; Don't worry my god will make it better - day after day after day.&nbsp; (These days I don't care - but it was a major reason given for moving to other systems in the 90s).I remember the Thieves World D20 game changed all the cure spells to 'convert' spells so they didn't heal you completely they just changed lethal damage into non-lethal.&nbsp; It's amazing how much difference that makes.&nbsp; You couldn't go back into the action straight away but instead had to spend a few hours recuperating.&nbsp; It did more to actually make the game feel gritty then any variation in time spent recovering hit points.Damned if I can see what difference auto-healing hit points overnight makes from previous editions other then saving bookkeeping.&nbsp; You'd end up in the same place anway.&nbsp; (5E has changed the cleric somewhat in a way I don't like as a result - but that's a different issue, and it's been happening for a while).If you want damage to feel real then you need to bypass hit points.&nbsp; Lingering Injuries can work (just don't use the table in the DMG without first changing it to match your goals - it's a mess) or levels of exhaustion - which are hard to recover.&nbsp;&nbsp; But making HP take longer to recover without magical healing seems meaningless - so long as you still have the magical healing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Don Durito, post: 8142552, member: 6687260"] I don't get this healing thing. The absurd part of it has always been the Cleric. And it's been there right from the beginning. Have people just been looking at it for so long that they can't see it? It was always obvious back in Ad&d days that the game was unworkable without a Cleric and somewhat absurd with it. Half you face hacked off? Don't worry my god will make it better - day after day after day. (These days I don't care - but it was a major reason given for moving to other systems in the 90s). I remember the Thieves World D20 game changed all the cure spells to 'convert' spells so they didn't heal you completely they just changed lethal damage into non-lethal. It's amazing how much difference [I]that [/I]makes. You couldn't go back into the action straight away but instead had to spend a few hours recuperating. It did more to actually make the game feel gritty then any variation in time spent recovering hit points. Damned if I can see what difference auto-healing hit points overnight makes from previous editions other then saving bookkeeping. You'd end up in the same place anway. (5E has changed the cleric somewhat in a way I don't like as a result - but that's a different issue, and it's been happening for a while). If you want damage to feel real then you need to bypass hit points. Lingering Injuries can work (just don't use the table in the DMG without first changing it to match your goals - it's a mess) or levels of exhaustion - which [I]are [/I]hard to recover. But making HP take longer to recover without magical healing seems meaningless - so long as you still have the magical healing. [/QUOTE]

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