The Proper Use of Nudity in FRPG Art

Aus_Snow

First Post
I don't mind either way, so long as the artwork is at least OK, and is appropriate for the setting and scene.

A place for everything, and. . .

IOW, I pretty much agree with the OP.
 

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Gundark

Explorer
Orius said:
Female adventurers will not have a starved supermodel look. They're getting a lot of exercise, so they'll be toned. I see it as less Kate Moss and more Xena. Which is good.

Which is why I really love the new 4e art
 

S'mon

Legend
Orius said:
Female adventurers will not have a starved supermodel look. They're getting a lot of exercise, so they'll be toned. I see it as less Kate Moss and more Xena. Which is good.

I do agree with that, and I dislike modern TV/movie fantasy or action sci-fi shows with starved-waif protagonists. One good thing about the 2nd D&D movie was that the 'Barbarian PC' character had some flesh on her. Also unless they are noted as having magic/superhuman strength, please keep their beat-downs/feats of strength within the bounds of marginal plausibility - a 150 lb muscular woman may beat up a muscular 300 lb man due to superior skill, but she's not likely to win an arm-wrestling contest with him.

As far as fantasy art goes, generally speaking I'm fine with semi-nudity, but there is a fine line between 'appropriate to swords & sorcery genre' and 'fetishistic'. Sometimes, ironically, the quest for more realstic-looking characters results in very implausible looking figures, eg some of Clyde Caudwell's female art just looks like a late 20th century woman (often his gf) in fancy dress.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
roguerouge said:
Take a look at a naked offensive lineman after a football game sometime. Still think a barbarian's automatically going to look great?

First the offensive lineman has access to a much richer diet than the average barbarian did and thus has access to a lot less healthy diet (ironically)

Second every Rugby player knows American Football is for pansies

Third I have seen photographs of real near naked 'barbarians' (ie warriors from pre-literate societies) and overall they had builds I'd describe as athletic becoming slightly more beefy with age...
 

Stormrunner

Explorer
Mighty Veil said:
Nudity yes if female. Draw her hot.

Hey, some of us like the beefcake too. The nudity double standard for gender has always bugged me a little - succubi get big boobs with nipples, but a demon of lust or a handsome centaur stallion can't have balls? ;)

I prefer the way Donna Barr handles her centaurs. They wear clothes on the upper half but leave the horse-half bare, and she doesn't hesitate to show the dangly bits on the stallions - but not in an erotica-type way, just if you would have been able to see it from that angle in real life, it's there in the comic.
 

glass

(he, him)
Stormrunner said:
Hey, some of us like the beefcake too. The nudity double standard for gender has always bugged me a little - succubi get big boobs with nipples, but a demon of lust or a handsome centaur stallion can't have balls? ;)
I agree in principal, although I much prefer to see girly bits rather than boy-y bits. :D


glass.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Stormrunner said:
Hey, some of us like the beefcake too. The nudity double standard for gender has always bugged me a little - succubi get big boobs with nipples, but a demon of lust or a handsome centaur stallion can't have balls? ;)

Why do people compare breasts to testicles?

When it comes to being topless -yawn- why is it even an issue? but personally
I'd rather RPGs avoided gratuitous portrayals of human(oid) genitals of either gender unless they are really necessary
 


My ideas of both my characters and the people around them run the gamut. The males might be large/beefcakey like Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Michael Clark Duncan, and Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, or they might be normal/fit types like Matt Damon, Robert DeNiro, and Denzel Washington. The women could be small/waify/even delicate like Holly Hunter, Alyssa Milano, or Kiera Knightly, or they might be buxom, Frazetta models like Linda Carter, Lucy Lawless, and Salma Hayek. And everything in between.

There SHOULDN'T be a single "look" to D&D any more than there should be just ONE way to play the game correctly. The art should run the gamut just as EVERYBODY'S conception of their PC's and NPC's will. You need cartoon AND photorealism, portraits AND landscapes, over-the-top action AND Tableaux.
 


Gez

First Post
Haffrung Helleyes said:
Well, adventuring keeps you in good shape!

If countless scars and scratches and bruises and knocked-out teeth and burns and bad hygiene from camping outside and eating only dried old rations and the occasional mutilation count as "good shape" then yes. Yes they do.
 

shilsen

Adventurer
Gez said:
If countless scars and scratches and bruises and knocked-out teeth and burns and bad hygiene from camping outside and eating only dried old rations and the occasional mutilation count as "good shape" then yes. Yes they do.
In a world with easy magical healing, successful adventurers probably look amazing. And with low-level illusion magic, probably exactly as good as they want to.
 

Aloïsius

First Post
shilsen said:
successful adventurers probably look amazing.

And what about losers ?

I have seen full nudity used in FRPG with good taste : if some of you have access to "Reve, the dream Ouroboros", just look at some picture of the iconic characters playing in the river, or the one where the "wizardess" is struck by a temporary madness and is dancing in the rain.
 
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Gez

First Post
shilsen said:
In a world with easy magical healing, successful adventurers probably look amazing.
If magical healing removes all cosmetic sequels of the wounds, yes. But it probably doesn't heal the pungent smell after the adventurers swam in the sewers and fought zombified otyughs.

Aloïsius said:
And what about loosers ?
If they're too loose they get diseases as well. Should be more wary of these easy tavern wenches.
 

shilsen

Adventurer
Aloïsius said:
And what about losers ?

They're the corpses in the background of the scene where the successful adventurers pose, silly!

Gez said:
If magical healing removes all cosmetic sequels of the wounds, yes. But it probably doesn't heal the pungent smell after the adventurers swam in the sewers and fought zombified otyughs.

Prestidigitation! Don't leave home without it!
 

Hypersmurf

Moderatarrrrh...
Khuxan said:
The women depicted are either submissive, or getting someone else to fight for them.

Let's say you were dressed like that, and being attacked by some otherworldly demon, and had a big muscley guy with a sword on hand. Wouldn't you get him to fight for you?

Sign of intelligence, I'd say.

-Hyp.
 

Thurbane

First Post
Khuxan said:
I sincerely hope 4th Edition doesn't follow Frazetta's lead.
It won't. It'll probably all be androgynous spiky haired anime types. :p

For the record, I have no problem with nudity in fantasy art, and I love the artwork of the likes of Frank Frazetta, Simon Bisley, Hajime Sorayama and Olivia De Berardinis. Just remember that one person's "art" is another persons pornography. Art is quite possibly the most subjective topic in the world, and there is no mathematical right or wrong to what constitutes art - only what the individual likes...
 

Khuxan

First Post
Hypersmurf said:
Let's say you were dressed like that, and being attacked by some otherworldly demon, and had a big muscley guy with a sword on hand. Wouldn't you get him to fight for you?

Sign of intelligence, I'd say.

If Frazetta's women were really intelligent, they'd run away instead of dropping to their knees and coyly writhing about.

Why are they dressed like that? Why is it the guy that has big muscles and a sword? Why can't there be a man who gets a muscular woman to fight for him? Why isn't there even a man who gets a muscular man to fight for him? Or is every man a protector and every woman a trophy?

The point is not that the characters are behaving inappropriately based on the situation, but that the situation is inappropriate.
 

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