The Sage on Arcane Archers

[Izod]

Guys I don't think you are going to convince Arravis of our point on this issue. He has already made up his mind on this subject and refuses to change it. I along with you don't see the confusion... seeker seeks... phase ... well it phases

What would the point of a seeker arrow be if you had to see your target to shoot it, and how could you know it was there if you didn't see it. and I don't buy the scrying idea as the class isn't a caster class it's a melee class that has casting attrubutes.

But I can tell you one thing when I DM I know how this power works. I don't have one bit of ambiguity with the rules. The Arcane Archer must aim a phase arrow. but not a seeker. ie. she could fire the arrow striaght up into the air and it would find it's intended target if it is in range.

<edited some bad spelling but prolly still missed some>
me no spel gud

 

[Arravis]

His email to me makes little sense if that's true then. The "seeker" ability of both arrows is described exactly the same. Additionally, Monte (whom I beleive wrote the prestige class itself) ruled that you have to know which 5'x5' square the target is in.

 

[Izod]

the phase arrow doesn't seek it phases. why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Arravis]

Phase Arrow ALSO seeks, and if "seeking" is what AuraSeer says the Sage told him, then his email to me makes no sense at all. The description of how both arrows find their targets are exactly the same.

 

[Izod]

His email to me makes little sense if that's true then. The "seeker" ability of both arrows is described exactly the same. Additionally, Monte (whom I beleive wrote the prestige class itself) ruled that you have to know which 5'x5' square the target is in.

Again that post was in regards to phase arrow not the seeker.

Sorry I got sucked into this argument again... Arravis you are wrong weither you care to accept it or not that is and will alwase be my opinion on this subject. And since I know you think the same about me I'll not post on this anymore but like the saying goes Not when I DM

 

[Arravis]

I actually like your interpertation... but I don't think it's what's meant.

The Sage clearly defined what "known to you" is in the email he sent to me (which was specificly about the Phase Arrow). Why would the definition of "known to you" change when it comes to the Seeker Arrow? Same exact wording... why would it have completely different meanings?

btw, monte's ruling is in regards to both phase and seeker.

 

[Marshall]

Actually, neither one of them 'seeks'. You have to roll to-hit wether its a seeker or a phase. A seeker will just go around cover to get to a target while a phase will pass thru. Nothing in the rules indicates an auto-hit, which is what you seem to be getting at.

 

[Arravis]

No... i'm not saying that at all. My issue is that nothing in the rules seems to imply (in my view) that you simply name the target and it'll go to it without you having a clue where the target actually is. Monty agreed with me on this issue, and seemingly so did the Sage on his response to me, but AuraSeer's post seems to say otherwise. I don't see how his email to me and the post that AuraSeer can agree. .

 

[Marshall]

No... i'm not saying that at all. My issue is that nothing in the rules seems to imply (in my view) that you simply name the target and it'll go to it without you having a clue where the target actually is. Monty agreed with me on this issue, and seemingly so did the Sage on his response to me, but AuraSeer's post seems to say otherwise. I don't see how his email to me and the post that AuraSeer can agree. .

I agree with you on that. You need a general idea of where your target is to target them. I'd even go so far as to say you had to see them in the previous 2-3 rounds to effectively aim.

 

[da chicken]

His email to me makes little sense if that's true then. The "seeker" ability of both arrows is described exactly the same.

Context is more important than verbage. In this case, "known" has a different context for Seeker Arrow than it does for Phase Arrow.

How do we know that? It is the best answer to the reason for the Sage giving seemingly conflicting answers about the word "known."