The Sage on White Raven Tactics

[AnonymousOne]

I don't know if this is canon ... but...

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20070731a

Q: Can you use White Raven Tactics (Tome of Battle p94) on yourself to gain another turn right after your current initiative score?

A: No. White Raven Tactics doesn’t work on the initiator himself.

No need for that house rule now?

 

[Rystil Arden]

I don't know if this is canon ... but...

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20070731a



No need for that house rule now?

You can still use it with two initiators to give each of them two full rounds every round. Or just have everyone take it and let your best nova nuker go 4 to 6 times. Houserules are needed to prevent this.

 

[AnonymousOne]

Damn you WotC!

Oh well. *sigh*

Such a great book except for a few little "someone accidentally fired our Fiendish Editor" moments.

 

[Arkhandus]

And I think the main problem with it was that it can give the party's casters 2 turns in the same round so they can nuke stuff real fast (or summon lots of minions quickly to beat the enemy down).

 

[Rhun]

This is going to hurt my party in the RHoD.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Eh, its not as bad as most people think. Sure, you can use it on your caster and have them dump a lot of spells out and end the encounter quicker, but what is he going to do once he runs out of spells and runs into more encounters later that day? I think dumping spells out quickly to get combat over with quickly is countered by not having those spells for upcoming encounters. Its a risk the players have to weigh, since the DM determines how many encounters he'll be throwing at the party in a given day...

 

[green slime]

Eh, its not as bad as most people think. Sure, you can use it on your caster and have them dump a lot of spells out and end the encounter quicker, but what is he going to do once he runs out of spells and runs into more encounters later that day? I think dumping spells out quickly to get combat over with quickly is countered by not having those spells for upcoming encounters. Its a risk the players have to weigh, since the DM determines how many encounters he'll be throwing at the party in a given day...

Yes, it is as bad as people think.

3.0 haste did the same thing. And got nerfed.

 

[Nail]

Yes, it is as bad as people think.

3.0 haste did the same thing. And got nerfed.

For good reason.


The argument "Casting spells faster makes the caster run out of spell faster" is an old argument, and has - each and every time - been proved incorrect.

 

[Rystil Arden]

For good reason.


The arguement "Casting spells faster makes the caster run out of spell faster" is an old argument, and has - each and every time - been proved incorrect.

Yup. Otherwise, you could extend the argument to it's logical extreme:

"Wizards should be able to cast any number of spells per round until they run out, since then they won't have any more for the rest of the day."

 

[Votan]

For good reason.


The argument "Casting spells faster makes the caster run out of spell faster" is an old argument, and has - each and every time - been proved incorrect.

For high level casters, the second spell could be a low level spell of which they often have plenty and this could make spells like Summon Monster II would a lot more effectively.

I agree that number of spells is only going to matter if there are a lot of encounters in that given day. Plus, hitting the opposition harder and faster might actually preserve resources on average making the party able to fighter longer than with the slower rate of spells.