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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8004863" data-attributes="member: 6988941">You've got some cool combos there. I don't think it's particularly more invulnerable then a variety of other builds, and, you know, at ultra high levels everyone is pretty damned good at what they do. Your sales pitch seems to mostly boil down to 1) Shadow Sorcerers are really good at hiding and resisting damage, 2) Sorcerers are really good at avoiding counterspells, and 3) Wish is a really powerful spell.But a Sorcerer damned well should be particularly godlike in tier four play, since they were the weakest member of their party through all of tier 1 and couldn't hold their own through a long adventuring day until a ways into tier 2 (mileage will vary). They've payed their dues.You can't Twin Simulacrum. Twin requires targeting a creature. The Simulacrum is not a creature until you have cast the spell. And, of course, if we are going to cheese simulacra then the equivalently leveled Wizard (and potentially the Bard) have already chain created infinite simulacra at level 17. If that's not allowed (ie: if your DM is sane) then, at the very least these folk can create a simulacrum without Wish which still has its 9th level slot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 8004863, member: 6988941"] You've got some cool combos there. I don't think it's particularly more invulnerable then a variety of other builds, and, you know, at ultra high levels everyone is pretty damned good at what they do. Your sales pitch seems to mostly boil down to 1) Shadow Sorcerers are really good at hiding and resisting damage, 2) Sorcerers are really good at avoiding counterspells, and 3) Wish is a really powerful spell. But a Sorcerer damned well should be particularly godlike in tier four play, since they were the weakest member of their party through all of tier 1 and couldn't hold their own through a long adventuring day until a ways into tier 2 (mileage will vary). They've payed their dues. You can't Twin Simulacrum. Twin requires targeting a creature. The Simulacrum is not a creature until you have cast the spell. And, of course, if we are going to cheese simulacra then the equivalently leveled Wizard (and potentially the Bard) have already chain created infinite simulacra at level 17. If that's not allowed (ie: if your DM is sane) then, at the very least these folk can create a simulacrum without Wish which still has its 9th level slot. [/QUOTE]

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