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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5385024" data-attributes="member: 78116">This is no longer true. Epic tier combat is now as challenging and in fact can be just as lethal as any other tier. I use demons as an example commonly, but that's because demons are truly the most amazing epic tier antagonists available and are extremely well developed. A MV Balor swapping variable resistance for soul stealer is one of the most fierce creatures in all of 4E. The amount of synergy they get really reinforces them as immensely lethal epic tier antagonists, who are almost certainly not the sort to care much for diplomacy (they are demons after all). It isn't hard to make fighting off hordes of demons both challenging and something that feels essential to the plot (and indeed, the entire multiverse as in many settings daemons have consistently been able to slay Gods when they get the chance). The problem really is variety: What is there is excellent but there is a very limited amount of it. Your options at epic are demons and then everything else supporting them. A book on devils would at least give us another option, but it doesn't fix the problem there aren't enough epic antagonists that aren't strictly planar related or based. While Eberron can have a daemonic invasion, as Khyber is linked to the Abyss far enough down your players are going to get really bored when every campaign is featuring daemons.</blockquote>