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<blockquote data-quote="KidSnide" data-source="post: 5391417" data-attributes="member: 54710">This is actually one of the other problems with epic-level play.&nbsp; The vast majority of epic foes are extra-planar is nature.&nbsp; Although the outer planes can always be a threat to the PCs' homeland, epic-level play tends to involve the PCs leaving the locations and NPCs to which they have developed attachments.&nbsp; That's a major barrier for the games I tend to play/run.Related, I find the 21-30 nature of the epic tier to also be a little problematic.&nbsp; To my mind, a standard use of the epic tier should be as the last adventure to a campaign, not the last third.&nbsp; In a campaign arc that isn't supposed to end with fighting a demon prince / god, there's only so much epic gameplay to be had.&nbsp; However, it seems to me that epic destinies and the character generation rules would make a level 1-23 game a bit of a bummer for the players.&nbsp; Thoughts?-KS</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KidSnide, post: 5391417, member: 54710"] This is actually one of the other problems with epic-level play. The vast majority of epic foes are extra-planar is nature. Although the outer planes can always be a threat to the PCs' homeland, epic-level play tends to involve the PCs leaving the locations and NPCs to which they have developed attachments. That's a major barrier for the games I tend to play/run. Related, I find the 21-30 nature of the epic tier to also be a little problematic. To my mind, a standard use of the epic tier should be as the last adventure to a campaign, not the last third. In a campaign arc that isn't supposed to end with fighting a demon prince / god, there's only so much epic gameplay to be had. However, it seems to me that epic destinies and the character generation rules would make a level 1-23 game a bit of a bummer for the players. Thoughts? -KS [/QUOTE]

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