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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 5392916" data-attributes="member: 58197">No argument there. Unfortunately, while taking away the Christmas tree brings the fighter-types back to sanity, it also has the effect of increasing the already-huge power gap between fighters and casters at high levels. Wizards are the Scrooges of Third Edition.Pre-3E, I agree with you that the power scale beyond Name level was much compressed... but the high-level world back then was so different it's hard even to make a comparison. I mean, how do you weigh 3E or 4E against a system where a pit fiend averages 58 hit points and Lolth herself has only 66, where AC caps out at the equivalent of 30 and direct damage is a high-level wizard's most fearsome weapon?Every time I have occasion to step out of Wizards-era D&D and back into the landscape of TSR, it's like entering a totally different universe. The mechanical changes between 3E and 4E were huge, but the philosophical changes between 2E and 3E were far greater IMO.</blockquote>