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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Matrix Sorcica" data-source="post: 5393449" data-attributes="member: 3547">Let's see if my English allow me to express what I want to say here....Couldn't a solution be that the monsters scale with the PCs, in a sandbox like way? You have the terrible lich living in the tomb warrens. If the party engage him at paragon, he's x level. If they engage him at epic level, he's y level. And instead of thinking about why the lich didn't conquer the world while the pcs were rising to power, think about his power relative to the party and take the story from there..The Orc king is a level 28 elite and his warriors are level 27 - because the adventure is about stopping the mother of all Orc invasions that will change the very past so that Orcs have always been the masters, etc. Who cares that the Orc King could have conquered the world before? So you don't need a supernatural army from the Planes - the Orcs are just as badass because the story needs it.IMO, 4E already does this in that many monsters have heroic, paragon and epic versions. But it's still the same monster.The dreaded Necromancer of the North with terrible plans that will lay the lands to waste is in reality a 8 level elite. Unless of course the party never engaged him until epic.Of course, you make certain exceptions from time to time, where the mighty dragon of the Skeleton Caves really is a mighty dragon that will TPK any non-epic party trying to mess with it <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil    :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />Did any of this make any sense?Edit: D'oh! Rereading pemerton's post, he's saying pretty much the same thing....</blockquote>

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