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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5394486" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Eh, as a practical matter I wouldn't think it to be likely that ordinary forces would have any luck against threats much more than 5 levels beyond them. Sure, by theorycraft a large number of minions can hypothetically do pretty well. The question is more what would actually happen. Now, I suspect that my example ogres could be handled by a reasonable human town. The town probably has some physical security mechanisms (walls for instance) that an ogre can't just ignore and as you point out if the town guard can muster enough people in a single place it is certainly possible to mechanically beat down a threat of this type. This would however presume sufficient planning and organization, strong leadership, and a rather high degree of individual dedication not usually seen. Presumably threats in this kind of range will be dealt with in some fashion, usually by hiring adventurers or having a special class of warriors or a religious order that has this function.</p><p></p><p>Lets consider a dragon though. Very few dragons are idiotic enough to involve themselves in a fight with several hundred humans under conditions where the humans have any chance of victory. Not only that but I think you underestimate the difficulty of raising a force of this size. Raising 100 trained militia will require a base population to draw from on the order of 30,000 people. Thus raising 500 men to stand up to the local Red Dragon could well require the resources of a fairly large duchy or something like that. Said dragon will almost certainly be looting North Wazumbaville while said militia is off guarding the Duke's Castle. I'd lay high odds on the dragon totally dominating this situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5394486, member: 82106"] Eh, as a practical matter I wouldn't think it to be likely that ordinary forces would have any luck against threats much more than 5 levels beyond them. Sure, by theorycraft a large number of minions can hypothetically do pretty well. The question is more what would actually happen. Now, I suspect that my example ogres could be handled by a reasonable human town. The town probably has some physical security mechanisms (walls for instance) that an ogre can't just ignore and as you point out if the town guard can muster enough people in a single place it is certainly possible to mechanically beat down a threat of this type. This would however presume sufficient planning and organization, strong leadership, and a rather high degree of individual dedication not usually seen. Presumably threats in this kind of range will be dealt with in some fashion, usually by hiring adventurers or having a special class of warriors or a religious order that has this function. Lets consider a dragon though. Very few dragons are idiotic enough to involve themselves in a fight with several hundred humans under conditions where the humans have any chance of victory. Not only that but I think you underestimate the difficulty of raising a force of this size. Raising 100 trained militia will require a base population to draw from on the order of 30,000 people. Thus raising 500 men to stand up to the local Red Dragon could well require the resources of a fairly large duchy or something like that. Said dragon will almost certainly be looting North Wazumbaville while said militia is off guarding the Duke's Castle. I'd lay high odds on the dragon totally dominating this situation. [/QUOTE]
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