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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5395058" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Well, I see 106 epic demons in Compendium. Approximately 20 of those come from E1-E3 (and only 2 are E1 and 1 E2, the others are ALL from E3). I agree that isn't enough demons to sustain a 10 level story arc by itself. There are 182 epic undead, likewise perhaps not enough to sustain an entire 10 levels without making ANY new monsters. </p><p></p><p>I think my point was really that we pretty much agree, nobody is going to feasibly run 10 levels of any single theme without break and use largely pregenerated monsters. You MIGHT almost get away with that in earlier tiers if you squint a bit, but truthfully I don't know why a group would want to slay demons for 10 levels at a time without a break. Certainly the DM would need to stretch the concept of demon a fair amount to make that exciting.</p><p></p><p>What I'm saying though is that if you include the newest source books in the equation like Demonomicon things are actually pretty well laid out for you. You're going to WANT to create some different monsters, but you generally don't absolutely have to. When you do go to make different varieties there are now pretty nice tools available. MB could still use support for themes and templates, but with 100+ epic monsters available for the major monster types plus these tools I don't think WotC desperately needs to shovel in more monsters. </p><p></p><p>I think what would better support Epic would be some more EDs and a book that discusses the kinds of issues and ideas that are in this thread. I know I find this discussion quite useful. I'm working on a setting now and it will be good to keep in mind the various ideas on theme and tone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5395058, member: 82106"] Well, I see 106 epic demons in Compendium. Approximately 20 of those come from E1-E3 (and only 2 are E1 and 1 E2, the others are ALL from E3). I agree that isn't enough demons to sustain a 10 level story arc by itself. There are 182 epic undead, likewise perhaps not enough to sustain an entire 10 levels without making ANY new monsters. I think my point was really that we pretty much agree, nobody is going to feasibly run 10 levels of any single theme without break and use largely pregenerated monsters. You MIGHT almost get away with that in earlier tiers if you squint a bit, but truthfully I don't know why a group would want to slay demons for 10 levels at a time without a break. Certainly the DM would need to stretch the concept of demon a fair amount to make that exciting. What I'm saying though is that if you include the newest source books in the equation like Demonomicon things are actually pretty well laid out for you. You're going to WANT to create some different monsters, but you generally don't absolutely have to. When you do go to make different varieties there are now pretty nice tools available. MB could still use support for themes and templates, but with 100+ epic monsters available for the major monster types plus these tools I don't think WotC desperately needs to shovel in more monsters. I think what would better support Epic would be some more EDs and a book that discusses the kinds of issues and ideas that are in this thread. I know I find this discussion quite useful. I'm working on a setting now and it will be good to keep in mind the various ideas on theme and tone. [/QUOTE]
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