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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 8475794" data-attributes="member: 6779310">I see other factors at work... and I'll note that OE (core only) was playable as written, not self-contradictory,,, but a frail framework which did a poor job explaining how it differed...4 years later, 6 supplments later, 100+ magazine articles later, AD&amp;D was a hastily put together compilation ... the PHB being the one most crunched... and the best ideas in the minds of Gygax and crew...In context, 1976 to 1978 was a whirlwind. The first AD&amp;D 1E books were crashed together, laid out with hot lead, and done by&nbsp; guys who weren't trained editors.They did a good job for their lack of skill and lack of time to test. And the poor modes of playtesting (mostly in house, the least useful form for publication). It was a major expansion and revision.Moldvay, tho'... 1981 was the year D&amp;D felt professional. Tom Moldvay did a serious &quot;This is how it should be done.&quot;Molday was the first time we got a professional looking layout and a clear introductory game. It was the point where I went from player to GM. It was the point I first understood the game... because i started playing a cut down AD&amp;D 1E...But both BX and OE (with and without expansions) are still selling. And AD&amp;D still speaks to many... and it's not generational... as many of those are 20-somethings... in the same way that HP Lovecraft speaks to many despite being clunky and exemplifying horrible values, AD&amp;D calls to some to navigate its clunkiness for deeper meanings.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 8475794, member: 6779310"] I see other factors at work... and I'll note that OE (core only) was playable as written, not self-contradictory,,, but a frail framework which did a poor job explaining how it differed... 4 years later, 6 supplments later, 100+ magazine articles later, AD&D was a hastily put together compilation ... the PHB being the one most crunched... and the best ideas in the minds of Gygax and crew... In context, 1976 to 1978 was a whirlwind. The first AD&D 1E books were crashed together, laid out with hot lead, and done by guys who weren't trained editors. They did a good job for their lack of skill and lack of time to test. And the poor modes of playtesting (mostly in house, the least useful form for publication). It was a major expansion and revision. Moldvay, tho'... 1981 was the year D&D felt professional. Tom Moldvay did a serious "This is how it should be done." Molday was the first time we got a professional looking layout and a clear introductory game. It was the point where I went from player to GM. It was the point I first understood the game... because i started playing a cut down AD&D 1E... But both BX and OE (with and without expansions) are still selling. And AD&D still speaks to many... and it's not generational... as many of those are 20-somethings... in the same way that HP Lovecraft speaks to many despite being clunky and exemplifying horrible values, AD&D calls to some to navigate its clunkiness for deeper meanings. [/QUOTE]

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