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<blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 5851179" data-attributes="member: 7883"><p>Ok, that's fair. I do think marketing has a big part of it....but....the iPad is still a well built device. It's got a great app store. And Apple has better customer support post sale. As much as I love my ASUS, the service level isn't the same as for my iPhone. </p><p></p><p>And for many customers, that makes a difference for their purchase decisions.</p><p></p><p>That having been said, I've read several articles pointing out Android tablets are catching up quickly. They jumped to something like 46% of new sales....internationally, in Q4 last year. That's a fairly significant gain. Some analysts are projecting them to pass iOS in the next 3 years in the tablet market. Of course, that's predicting the future. I don't know whether it'll come to pass.</p><p></p><p>I *can* say that the Android tablets are getting better and better. Some manufacturers such as ASUS are really refining things quickly. The TF101 was pretty good on its own, and the Prime is even better....and the upcoming Infinity (I wish they just fixed the back on the prime instead of launching a new model) will have everything the Prime has, 1080p resolution, and better WiFi/GPS reception.</p><p></p><p>I agree the manufacturers are hurting themselves by putting out so many models. And as a result, getting updates is more tricky. Given what I've seen, I don't think I'd consider an Android tablet from a company other than ASUS. They've very actively supported this tablet since I bought it, issuing updates, fixes, and new features pretty much every month that I've had it. And they updated the OS to ICS pretty quickly. I personally wouldn't go Samsung as I don't trust them the same way.</p><p></p><p>I can also agree that the features I care about in my Android tablet don't appeal to everyone....just as not everything in an iOS device appeals to me. I'll point out that things like security concerns are overblown. You have to keep in mind that many of those reports come from companies like Norton and McAfee who have an interest in convincing people to buy antivirus software. At its heart,, Android is still Linux, which is traditionally a stable, pretty safe OS. I've never run into a virus. But I don't download porn or "get free music here!" apps on my tablet so maybe there's a connection <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Of course, given how virus prone Windows is supposed to be, I've only picked them up a handful of times in almost 20 years. And, outside of one time where I was researching a client's website that was infected, the few times I picked something up, it was because I got careless and ignored my own rules.</p><p></p><p>In any case, your post here does make sense. And I don't disagree. I'm thankful if you're not one of the ones insisting "you must be using it wrong". My business partner pulls that all the time......"those features only matter to you because you're following an outdated method of computing that is no longer relevant in the modern age". To me, a statement like that is just ignorant.</p><p></p><p>I happen to like having physical, removable memory, as I can easily move things around between devices. I *hate* putting stuff in the cloud. My personal theory is "don't put anything in the cloud if you don't want some guy in a data center looking through your files". We put alot of trust on the honesty of the people hosting these cloud services.</p><p></p><p>Some other features like Bluetooth are instances where yeah, Apple has it as does Android....but because of Apple's arrangements with content owners for the iTunes store, much of what you can do with Bluetooth is locked down. You can't stream music to a Bluetooth headset for instance. And you can't transfer any file you want from one device to another. You can move *some* file types, plus contacts...and that's about it. With Android and Blackberry, I can move *anything* between devices. It also means that my Android and Blackberry devices connect to 3rd party services like Ford Sync much better than my iPhone does.</p><p></p><p>And searchable e-mail. I had it on my BB, and used it alot. Losing that with my iPhone was something I was VERY unhappy about BECAUSE I used it. When I was doing my prepurchase research, the people I listened to insisted the e-mail was just as good. Now that I've used it for a year, I can say it is not......not if I want to use it for work, and have search, and the ability to individually delete e-mails off my server, device,, or both, etc.</p><p></p><p>For those casual users, idevices are great ideas. I tend to be a power user, so I run into limitations very quickly, because I'm always pushing the limits of what I can do, whereas other people I know seem to not run into limitations, because they're not trying to do anything fancy.</p><p></p><p>And that's fine. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Each person has different requirements.</p><p></p><p>As to those who asked if I know people who have few apps, yes, I do. But I tend to be an app fiend. I had about 150 on my Transformer before the update to ICS. I've removed a bunch, as not all have been updated to ICS yet. On my iPhone I have a similarly high number of apps, movies, music, files etc. On a 32 GB device I've used up about 31 GB of space. Many people I know don't use their devices to nearly the same degree. Similar to annecdotes posted by others here, my wife also has an iPhone 4, and she has very few apps. In fact, probably half of the few that she DOES have are ones I put on it for her. She just doesn't use it for that. At the end of the day, she uses it for phone calls, to respond to e-mail, surf the web, and that's about it. And, for those purposes, it doesn't serve as well as some other devices like her old BB, which was a more reliable phone, and easier for her to type on. Several of my family members also have iPhones. But the only other family member with a smartphone who actually uses it with all the apps is my brother who's an engineer. Like me, he likes to tinker. He got a Samsung Galaxy S II though.</p><p></p><p>I'm referring to a limited sample though.....maybe 10 people I know who have them? I know some power users like me, who get lots of apps...but I'd still say they're outnumbered by those who barely use their phone.</p><p></p><p> I have observed that there are many apps on Android that do very similar things as ones I have on iPhone. If I switch phones out, I think I'll lose SOME things, which will suck...but, by and large, there are alternatives available for most of what I use. Where I'll lose is on games, and on some iOS exclusives.....but if I assemble a list of the apps I have on iPhone, *most* have a version on Android as well.</p><p></p><p>They're interesting times we're in. I don't know whether PCs will ultimately die, or be relegated to the dustbin for 90% of users for whom a smartphone or tablet will be sufficient. I guess we'll see. But when I see that in the next version of Android, the phone will carry a full version of Ubuntu, and be able to serve as your desktop computer when you plug it into a monitor and bluetooth keyboard, I just think back to my original PC Junior, and shake my head about how much things have changed <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Banshee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Banshee16, post: 5851179, member: 7883"] Ok, that's fair. I do think marketing has a big part of it....but....the iPad is still a well built device. It's got a great app store. And Apple has better customer support post sale. As much as I love my ASUS, the service level isn't the same as for my iPhone. And for many customers, that makes a difference for their purchase decisions. That having been said, I've read several articles pointing out Android tablets are catching up quickly. They jumped to something like 46% of new sales....internationally, in Q4 last year. That's a fairly significant gain. Some analysts are projecting them to pass iOS in the next 3 years in the tablet market. Of course, that's predicting the future. I don't know whether it'll come to pass. I *can* say that the Android tablets are getting better and better. Some manufacturers such as ASUS are really refining things quickly. The TF101 was pretty good on its own, and the Prime is even better....and the upcoming Infinity (I wish they just fixed the back on the prime instead of launching a new model) will have everything the Prime has, 1080p resolution, and better WiFi/GPS reception. I agree the manufacturers are hurting themselves by putting out so many models. And as a result, getting updates is more tricky. Given what I've seen, I don't think I'd consider an Android tablet from a company other than ASUS. They've very actively supported this tablet since I bought it, issuing updates, fixes, and new features pretty much every month that I've had it. And they updated the OS to ICS pretty quickly. I personally wouldn't go Samsung as I don't trust them the same way. I can also agree that the features I care about in my Android tablet don't appeal to everyone....just as not everything in an iOS device appeals to me. I'll point out that things like security concerns are overblown. You have to keep in mind that many of those reports come from companies like Norton and McAfee who have an interest in convincing people to buy antivirus software. At its heart,, Android is still Linux, which is traditionally a stable, pretty safe OS. I've never run into a virus. But I don't download porn or "get free music here!" apps on my tablet so maybe there's a connection :) Of course, given how virus prone Windows is supposed to be, I've only picked them up a handful of times in almost 20 years. And, outside of one time where I was researching a client's website that was infected, the few times I picked something up, it was because I got careless and ignored my own rules. In any case, your post here does make sense. And I don't disagree. I'm thankful if you're not one of the ones insisting "you must be using it wrong". My business partner pulls that all the time......"those features only matter to you because you're following an outdated method of computing that is no longer relevant in the modern age". To me, a statement like that is just ignorant. I happen to like having physical, removable memory, as I can easily move things around between devices. I *hate* putting stuff in the cloud. My personal theory is "don't put anything in the cloud if you don't want some guy in a data center looking through your files". We put alot of trust on the honesty of the people hosting these cloud services. Some other features like Bluetooth are instances where yeah, Apple has it as does Android....but because of Apple's arrangements with content owners for the iTunes store, much of what you can do with Bluetooth is locked down. You can't stream music to a Bluetooth headset for instance. And you can't transfer any file you want from one device to another. You can move *some* file types, plus contacts...and that's about it. With Android and Blackberry, I can move *anything* between devices. It also means that my Android and Blackberry devices connect to 3rd party services like Ford Sync much better than my iPhone does. And searchable e-mail. I had it on my BB, and used it alot. Losing that with my iPhone was something I was VERY unhappy about BECAUSE I used it. When I was doing my prepurchase research, the people I listened to insisted the e-mail was just as good. Now that I've used it for a year, I can say it is not......not if I want to use it for work, and have search, and the ability to individually delete e-mails off my server, device,, or both, etc. For those casual users, idevices are great ideas. I tend to be a power user, so I run into limitations very quickly, because I'm always pushing the limits of what I can do, whereas other people I know seem to not run into limitations, because they're not trying to do anything fancy. And that's fine. :) Each person has different requirements. As to those who asked if I know people who have few apps, yes, I do. But I tend to be an app fiend. I had about 150 on my Transformer before the update to ICS. I've removed a bunch, as not all have been updated to ICS yet. On my iPhone I have a similarly high number of apps, movies, music, files etc. On a 32 GB device I've used up about 31 GB of space. Many people I know don't use their devices to nearly the same degree. Similar to annecdotes posted by others here, my wife also has an iPhone 4, and she has very few apps. In fact, probably half of the few that she DOES have are ones I put on it for her. She just doesn't use it for that. At the end of the day, she uses it for phone calls, to respond to e-mail, surf the web, and that's about it. And, for those purposes, it doesn't serve as well as some other devices like her old BB, which was a more reliable phone, and easier for her to type on. Several of my family members also have iPhones. But the only other family member with a smartphone who actually uses it with all the apps is my brother who's an engineer. Like me, he likes to tinker. He got a Samsung Galaxy S II though. I'm referring to a limited sample though.....maybe 10 people I know who have them? I know some power users like me, who get lots of apps...but I'd still say they're outnumbered by those who barely use their phone. I have observed that there are many apps on Android that do very similar things as ones I have on iPhone. If I switch phones out, I think I'll lose SOME things, which will suck...but, by and large, there are alternatives available for most of what I use. Where I'll lose is on games, and on some iOS exclusives.....but if I assemble a list of the apps I have on iPhone, *most* have a version on Android as well. They're interesting times we're in. I don't know whether PCs will ultimately die, or be relegated to the dustbin for 90% of users for whom a smartphone or tablet will be sufficient. I guess we'll see. But when I see that in the next version of Android, the phone will carry a full version of Ubuntu, and be able to serve as your desktop computer when you plug it into a monitor and bluetooth keyboard, I just think back to my original PC Junior, and shake my head about how much things have changed :) Banshee [/QUOTE]
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