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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clutchbone" data-source="post: 7200268" data-attributes="member: 98332">I feel there are some things that you're failing to understand.-I'm trying to make a subclass that is good at different things than other rogues.-There is only one "key aspect of the Rogue class" (Evasion) that absolutely requires Dexterity. -Expertise & Reliable Talent are very potent; a rogue with these features does not require a maxed out ability score to still be better at a skill than any other class.-<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468737-The-Grappler-s-Manual-(2-0)-Grappling-in-5th-Edition" target="_blank">Grappling</a> is extremely powerful; I'm actually struggling to feature this combat option without making it game-breaking.No feats, No items, baseline human, strength Thug vs dex Assassin, you can see that their stats aren't that different. There is no "catching up" to be done, as both are very effective at what they do.[sblock]Thug, level 20Ability Scores20 14 16 9 10 20Saves5 8* 3 5 6 5  (*situational +2 on dex saves from using grappled creature as half cover)Combat+11 attack, +5 damage, 163 hp, AC 16-17*, Init 2  (*situational +2 AC from using grappled creature as half cover)Skills Athletics 17Sleight of Hand 8Stealth 14intimidation 17deception 11Persuasion 11Thieves tools 14Assassin, level 20Ability Scores10 20 16 9 14 20Saves0 11 3 5 8 5Combat+11 attack, +5 damage, 163 hp, AC 17, Init 5Skills Acrobatics 17Stealth 17Perception 8deception 17intimidation 11Persuasion 11Thieves tools 17[/sblock]</blockquote>

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