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The Usage of the Non-Sequitur "4e is a Tactical Skirmish Game"
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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 5983859" data-attributes="member: 20805"><p>First off: not trying to be antagonistic here... just sharing my opinions <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> But is that the right answer? or could it appear as if you think that you are right and not willing to stoop to the level of discussing the opinions of those that are wrong?</p><p></p><p> There is easily justification from certain points of view and play experiences to say that 4e is just a glorified tactical skirmish game. If you were a new player and came to watch my once a month gaming session that has barely enough time to manage 1 epic level combat... you could easily walk away from the session thinking this. If you played a DnD Encounters series, you could form this opinion. If you read the rules in the PHB in isolation, or if you are relying on second-hand knowledge of the rules..</p><p> The list goes on.</p><p></p><p> In my opinion the 'right' answer to someone stating this is to ask 'Oh, what makes you think that?' Much better than getting defensive of your favored playstyle or opinion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> I am, regretfully, involved in lots of statistics, 'sensing sessions', and survey development at my work. Its not fun because it is so hard to step away from what I think is the answer when crafting a poll or survey. Your survey is weighted and, in admittedly an exaggeration, 'if someone snarkily asks if your face looks funny, do you think he is being snarky?'</p><p></p><p>Perhaps a poll asking what the user base thinks the poster of such a phrase might have justification for thinking so might be more apropos. Answers like 'ignorant of the full rules', 'opinion based on others blogs or remarks', 'play experience', ...</p><p></p><p>I have found that on first contact with what appears to be an attack against an idea, its best to find out why the person thinks what they said. Often times you will find a new perspective that you had not thought of before.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 5983859, member: 20805"] First off: not trying to be antagonistic here... just sharing my opinions :) But is that the right answer? or could it appear as if you think that you are right and not willing to stoop to the level of discussing the opinions of those that are wrong? There is easily justification from certain points of view and play experiences to say that 4e is just a glorified tactical skirmish game. If you were a new player and came to watch my once a month gaming session that has barely enough time to manage 1 epic level combat... you could easily walk away from the session thinking this. If you played a DnD Encounters series, you could form this opinion. If you read the rules in the PHB in isolation, or if you are relying on second-hand knowledge of the rules.. The list goes on. In my opinion the 'right' answer to someone stating this is to ask 'Oh, what makes you think that?' Much better than getting defensive of your favored playstyle or opinion. I am, regretfully, involved in lots of statistics, 'sensing sessions', and survey development at my work. Its not fun because it is so hard to step away from what I think is the answer when crafting a poll or survey. Your survey is weighted and, in admittedly an exaggeration, 'if someone snarkily asks if your face looks funny, do you think he is being snarky?' Perhaps a poll asking what the user base thinks the poster of such a phrase might have justification for thinking so might be more apropos. Answers like 'ignorant of the full rules', 'opinion based on others blogs or remarks', 'play experience', ... I have found that on first contact with what appears to be an attack against an idea, its best to find out why the person thinks what they said. Often times you will find a new perspective that you had not thought of before. [/QUOTE]
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