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<blockquote data-quote="Lwaxy" data-source="post: 5996082" data-attributes="member: 53286">There is no option for having that opinion without wanting to convince 4e players. Trying to convince someone what they are playing is something it is not always has some missionary aspect which I don't think most of those considering 4e a skirmish game intend. Some people just say what they believe (and then more or less stubbornly stick to their opinions). To me, personally, truthfully, 4e is not &quot;real&quot; D&amp;D. Nothing could convince me it is just because the letters are printed on it. I don't care the least if it is D&amp;D to 4e players. My guess would be to the ones who switched, it is, and to the ones who started with it, they don't know anything else. The one time I really tried 4e as D&amp;D, it did feel like a skirmish game to me. Probably no wonder, it was short after the release and the GM had no experience with it. I hated it. Later on, I found someone using the system but not the fluff (more modern setting with lots of battles in the story) and liked playing. Removed from its D&amp;D baggage, it was fun enough to play that I stuck with it for the whole 6 month campaign. And it was far from being only skirmish. Maybe lots of testers had a similar experience. It's easy to apply one play style you encounter to the rest of the game. Heck, someone without prior experience doing some of my current D&amp;D/PF campaigns would probably believe it is all about avoiding conflict. Which is not what said editions are meant to be, either. In this light, adding the words &quot;just&quot; to a statement may just indicate the person in question has no other experience with the system and may not even notice how condescending it sounds. Oh dear I wrote an essay. I blame it on my headache <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lwaxy, post: 5996082, member: 53286"] There is no option for having that opinion without wanting to convince 4e players. Trying to convince someone what they are playing is something it is not always has some missionary aspect which I don't think most of those considering 4e a skirmish game intend. Some people just say what they believe (and then more or less stubbornly stick to their opinions). To me, personally, truthfully, 4e is not "real" D&D. Nothing could convince me it is just because the letters are printed on it. I don't care the least if it is D&D to 4e players. My guess would be to the ones who switched, it is, and to the ones who started with it, they don't know anything else. The one time I really tried 4e as D&D, it did feel like a skirmish game to me. Probably no wonder, it was short after the release and the GM had no experience with it. I hated it. Later on, I found someone using the system but not the fluff (more modern setting with lots of battles in the story) and liked playing. Removed from its D&D baggage, it was fun enough to play that I stuck with it for the whole 6 month campaign. And it was far from being only skirmish. Maybe lots of testers had a similar experience. It's easy to apply one play style you encounter to the rest of the game. Heck, someone without prior experience doing some of my current D&D/PF campaigns would probably believe it is all about avoiding conflict. Which is not what said editions are meant to be, either. In this light, adding the words "just" to a statement may just indicate the person in question has no other experience with the system and may not even notice how condescending it sounds. Oh dear I wrote an essay. I blame it on my headache ;) [/QUOTE]

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