D&D 5E (2024) The value of Sap Mastery

[Zardnaar]

My current PC started out as a Fighter and multiclassed immediately to Warlock at level 2 and then went back to fighter at level 6 (Figther 2/Warlock 4)

I think the way I am doing it will be more powerful in melee than a straight class fighter at every level except 2 and 7-10

Part of this is my race, feat and invocations. I am level 7 with no extra attack, but I have agonizing Green Flame Blade, so I get a +4 Charisma bonus when Im use it and I reroll 1s on the Fire damage because I have Flames of Phelethegos. So my base Cantrip action does 2d8+8 (1d8+4 slashing + 1d8+4 fire) and if there is another enemy within 5 feet of the first they take another 1d8+8 fire and I reroll 1s on all the fire damage.

In addition to this I playing a Cult of the Elemental Eye Warlock subclass from the Greyhawk adventure's Guide (3rd party). That subclass has an ability called Fire Affinity that you can use once a short rest that lets you add your Charisma bonus to all Fire damage. So when I turn that on I do an extra 4 damage to both the first and second enemy. Additionally this ability causes 4 fire damage to an enemy that hits me in melee (in addition to the 1d4 caused by Flames of Phelethegos).

Just in terms offense I think this is generally outrunning extra attack right now, not every situation but most. Where a single class Fighter would be better is level 7-10 where they have Warmagic and I don't.

Add in 10 damage from Armor of Agathys and Tiefling Hellish Rebuke (with another +4 if I am in Fire Afinninty) my fighter slots which I can use with 1st level Warlock spells like Hex and once Warcaster comes online the shield spell I think at most levels I will be better than a single class fighter.

You know my opinion on being weaker at level 7-10.

On a fighter i think I want hex or hunters mark. Ranger dip on EK maybe.

Also want to test the fighter built around shillagh where I can get hex via Fae Touched.

 

[ECMO3]

On a fighter i think I want hex or hunters mark. Ranger dip on EK maybe.

Also want to test the fighter built around shillagh where I can get hex via Fae Touched.

I have all of that (well not Fey Touched). I have Hex from Warlock, Shillelagh-Charisma from Pact of Tome. I also have Misty Step from my Warlock subclass.

 

[Zardnaar]

I have all of that (well not Fey Touched). I have Hex from Warlock, Shillelagh-Charisma from Pact of Tome. I also have Misty Step from my Warlock subclass.

Yah im looking at a tweak of that.
The Warlick6/Dev Paladin 3 one big hit looks tempting as well.

As you said youre weaker 7-10 and pure fighter seems very viable 11+.

Its the when to splash with fighter is annoying. After level 5 or 6 but if you're going later F11 is tempting as well.

 

[ECMO3]

Yah im looking at a tweak of that.
The Warlick6/Dev Paladin 3 one big hit looks tempting as well.

As you said youre weaker 7-10 and pure fighter seems very viable 11+.

I think I am weaker in pure damage because I won't have Warmagic until level 11.

I don't think I am weaker overall because of spells and 2nd level pact slots

At level 11+ (Fighter 7/Warlock 4) I think I will be every bit as strong as a single class fighter because Warmagic will be online, with Hex and how Green Flame Blade scales 1d8 on both targets.

Its the when to splash with fighter is annoying. After level 5 or 6 but if you're going later F11 is tempting as well.

Well I am going to end the 1-20 campaign as a Fighter 11/Warlock 4 and something else. I am thinking of Bard 4 probably

You say Fighter 11, but on a Gish Eldritch Knight Fighter 10 is really awesome because of the disadvantage on enemy saves from Eldritch Strike and how you can rope a dope between action surge attacks, attacks of opportunity and spells. Grab Wrathful Smite from Fey Touched and use it on an AOO you cause from dissonant whispers, save with disadvantage on both spells and the enemy ends up his movement away from you taking 2 blade cantrips, 2 regular attacks, dissonant whispers damage, wrathful smite damage and frightened so he can't close with you.

 

[Zardnaar]

I think I am weaker in pure damage because I won't have Warmagic until level 11.

I don't think I am weaker overall because of spells and 2nd level pact slots

At level 11+ (Fighter 7/Warlock 4) I think I will be every bit as strong as a single class fighter because Warmagic will be online, with Hex and how Green Flame Blade scales 1d8 on both targets.



Well I am going to end the 1-20 campaign as a Fighter 11/Warlock 4 and something else. I am thinking of Bard 4 probably

You say Fighter 11, but on a Gish Eldritch Knight Fighter 10 is really awesome because of the disadvantage on enemy saves from Eldritch Strike and how you can rope a dope between action surge attacks, attacks of opportunity and spells. Grab Wrathful Smite from Fey Touched and use it on an AOO you cause from dissonant whispers, save with disadvantage on both spells and the enemy ends up his movement away from you taking 2 blade cantrips, 2 regular attacks, dissonant whispers damage, wrathful smite damage and frightened so he can't close with you.

Youre thinking I wont have warmagic until 12.

Im thinking I want to be fully online by level 8 max.