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<blockquote data-quote="MThibault" data-source="post: 1009731" data-attributes="member: 7971">While I don't agree that the primary purpose of 3.5 is to bring new players to the game,&nbsp; I do think that the 3.5 books are a better introduction to the game than the 3.0 book.The PHB has the same layout, but all of those complaints about incomprehensible AoO and Grapple rules have been addressed.&nbsp; Charging has been clarified (and limited) and there is actually a specific and explicit definition of what used to be known as a Partial Charge.&nbsp; The combat section is very novice-friendly.The DMG has a better layout.&nbsp; It starts out with basic advice about what the game is, what a DM does, and generally how it is done.&nbsp; The example of play is in the first chapter.&nbsp; Also near the beginning are fundamental core rules that aren't in the PHB -- XP!&nbsp; All of those variant rules for character creation and behind the curtain stuff comes much later, after the reader is (presumably) more comfortable with the fundamentals of the game.Now, did they get a bit overzealous when they started &quot;fixing&quot; things?&nbsp; IMO yes.&nbsp; Did they think they they were doing us a favor?&nbsp; Yes, probably even the business people think they are giving us a better product for the same money.&nbsp; Business people think like that, apparently.I'm still digesting what I'm going to take from 3.5 and what I'm going to keep from 3.0.&nbsp; But there is definitely a lot of good stuff that I will use.&nbsp; That being said, if your game has been running smoothly don't disrupt it by trying to force *any* new product in where it doesn't fit (this includes fully compatible 3.0 sourcebooks).&nbsp; I would suggest treating 3.5 like you would Tome of Horrors or the Quintessential Elf.&nbsp; If you are looking for upgrades or whatever, then this is the product for you, otherwise, stick with what you have.CheersPS I hope that publishers start using some sort of phrase to identify and distinguish 3.0 compatible material from 3.5.&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Fully compatible with the revised edition of the world's most popular fantasy RPG&quot; will do the trick.MT</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MThibault, post: 1009731, member: 7971"] While I don't agree that the primary purpose of 3.5 is to bring new players to the game, I do think that the 3.5 books are a better introduction to the game than the 3.0 book. The PHB has the same layout, but all of those complaints about incomprehensible AoO and Grapple rules have been addressed. Charging has been clarified (and limited) and there is actually a specific and explicit definition of what used to be known as a Partial Charge. The combat section is very novice-friendly. The DMG has a better layout. It starts out with basic advice about what the game is, what a DM does, and generally how it is done. The example of play is in the first chapter. Also near the beginning are fundamental core rules that aren't in the PHB -- XP! All of those variant rules for character creation and behind the curtain stuff comes much later, after the reader is (presumably) more comfortable with the fundamentals of the game. Now, did they get a bit overzealous when they started "fixing" things? IMO yes. Did they think they they were doing us a favor? Yes, probably even the business people think they are giving us a better product for the same money. Business people think like that, apparently. I'm still digesting what I'm going to take from 3.5 and what I'm going to keep from 3.0. But there is definitely a lot of good stuff that I will use. That being said, if your game has been running smoothly don't disrupt it by trying to force *any* new product in where it doesn't fit (this includes fully compatible 3.0 sourcebooks). I would suggest treating 3.5 like you would Tome of Horrors or the Quintessential Elf. If you are looking for upgrades or whatever, then this is the product for you, otherwise, stick with what you have. Cheers PS I hope that publishers start using some sort of phrase to identify and distinguish 3.0 compatible material from 3.5. "Fully compatible with the revised edition of the world's most popular fantasy RPG" will do the trick. MT [/QUOTE]

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