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<blockquote data-quote="Rejuvenator" data-source="post: 7670750" data-attributes="member: 6781913"><p>I hear you. Well maybe it's not a zero sum game. Maybe Evil can be characterized just enough to have interesting interactions, but still be faithful to an irredeemably evil nature.</p><p></p><p>For example, Lucifer can be still come across as somewhat sympathetic and yet still be irredeemably evil. He complains about kicked out of heaven as a disproportionately cruel punishment by the will of God. Sure, he's narcissistic and manipulative, but it's not his fault, he didn't deserve his role in the universe.</p><p></p><p>If he's NOT Absolute Evil in that story, perhaps he's a victim of circumstance, feels sorry for himself, and strives to be better, but feels like he can't change.</p><p></p><p>But if he is Absolute Evil in that story, he follows his nature wholeheartedly. He embraces his place in the universe. Poo-poo on his fall from heaven, it was inevitable. He embraces his role as The Devil! Vilest of all, for anybody who believes his sob story, being sympathetic to the devil might actually bar their soul from going to heaven. Thus Lucifer exploits the human desire for empathy in order to possibly claim the mortal's soul for Hell. That would be pure mean evil.</p><p></p><p>In that vein, Planescape could be PR propaganda churned out by the Lower Planes in order to soften the 'pure evil' reputation of the fiends, get the berks to drop their guard a little, just enough to further their diabolical plans <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>If fiends are evil incarnate, then each one IS according to its nature. There is an inconsistency for me when something like Zhentarim are cartoonish one-sided Bad Guys, but a demon (the essence of evil chaos and destruction) wants to sip wine and talk about Art. Some exaggeration there, but human villians demand more humanistic motives to me than extraplanar beings do. I guess I'm saying some things don't seem to walk the talk, don't put their money where there mouth is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rejuvenator, post: 7670750, member: 6781913"] I hear you. Well maybe it's not a zero sum game. Maybe Evil can be characterized just enough to have interesting interactions, but still be faithful to an irredeemably evil nature. For example, Lucifer can be still come across as somewhat sympathetic and yet still be irredeemably evil. He complains about kicked out of heaven as a disproportionately cruel punishment by the will of God. Sure, he's narcissistic and manipulative, but it's not his fault, he didn't deserve his role in the universe. If he's NOT Absolute Evil in that story, perhaps he's a victim of circumstance, feels sorry for himself, and strives to be better, but feels like he can't change. But if he is Absolute Evil in that story, he follows his nature wholeheartedly. He embraces his place in the universe. Poo-poo on his fall from heaven, it was inevitable. He embraces his role as The Devil! Vilest of all, for anybody who believes his sob story, being sympathetic to the devil might actually bar their soul from going to heaven. Thus Lucifer exploits the human desire for empathy in order to possibly claim the mortal's soul for Hell. That would be pure mean evil. In that vein, Planescape could be PR propaganda churned out by the Lower Planes in order to soften the 'pure evil' reputation of the fiends, get the berks to drop their guard a little, just enough to further their diabolical plans ;) If fiends are evil incarnate, then each one IS according to its nature. There is an inconsistency for me when something like Zhentarim are cartoonish one-sided Bad Guys, but a demon (the essence of evil chaos and destruction) wants to sip wine and talk about Art. Some exaggeration there, but human villians demand more humanistic motives to me than extraplanar beings do. I guess I'm saying some things don't seem to walk the talk, don't put their money where there mouth is. [/QUOTE]
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