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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7670896" data-attributes="member: 6787650">There are several problems with the argument you're making:1.) 5E doesn't have a Know Alignment spell, and the alignment-oriented effects that it does have don't give you a detailed justification for their results. Nothing tells him, "That old lady that you tortured? That was petty." All he gets is, "You can't use the holy sword/whatever," which of course just strikes him as unjust condemnation because CLEARLY this guy isn't open to criticism! Just look at why he was torturing the old lady! In short, no of course he isn't obliged to conclude anything about his actions, he doesn't have the detailed information I gave to pemerton. 2.) He can externalize his conclusions. It's trendy nowadays to refer to this phenomenon as "cognitive dissonance" although I don't personally like that usage of the term. 2.) Most importantly, you still haven't made your argument for why he must share my axiological values. I think kindness is important. He thinks it's unimportant, except to your buddies, but he thinks making important people like himself and his friends keep face/feel good is very important. Let me know if the way I'm using "axiological values" is unclear to you, but if I assume we both know what it means in this context, all you've done is quibble over the meaning of "petty reasons" while the more fundamental point is that in his axiology, it doesn't matter if the reasons are petty or not. Being kind to random peasants isn't even on his radar as something you should do. He would disagree very strongly with my characterization of him as evil. Maybe you would too.4.) Nitpick: re your first paragraph, "why not say he's evil". I did say he's evil. I've said it multiple times. How many times do I need to say it? But that doesn't mean he says it.</blockquote>

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