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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7671015" data-attributes="member: 22779">But the game provides us with the axioms. That's kid of the point. Your examples don't really apply since the game doesn't concern itself with those things. The metalogic is defined for us. Again, if a genocidal king detects as evil, as he would by DND definitions, then that king knows, absolutely, that his actions are evil and wrong. There is no way he can justify his actions when he knows that he is evil. Now he might not care and will continue right on committing genocide, and I'd put demons and Devils in that category, but he can't pretend that he's just misunderstood and is actually doing good. As I said, DND doesn't really allow for that sort of discussion. Evil is reified. It's not really up for opinions any more than any other concrete element is. I like the concept of Planescape. I think it could be a lot of fun. But, again for ME, the rules of DND get in the way too much. Fate would IMO be a much better system. Or perhaps Dogs in the Vinyard.</blockquote>