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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 7671112" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>If it is not a good thing in a particular instance then how can it be said to be a virtue? If there are instances when it is not a good thing, then only by ignoring those instances can we say that it is a virtue. It clearly isn't at all times a virtue. </p><p></p><p>This seems so nakedly obvious to me in the common use of language and value judgments that I'm having a hard time believing you truly don't understand this. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's fairly true in PS - Bahamut's goodness is a property of what people believe to be true about him, not a quality of his that exists without others there to place it upon him.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It probably wouldn't be. I'd question why a character in PS would want to flip those definitions, aside from semantics. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This might be a more nuanced position. One might believe that "good" should be compatible, say, coercive mind control in the interests of social unity, because one believes that this goal is consistent with one's conscience (others are suffering without our society!), with one's duty to society (those who can't participate participate in it should be convinced to participate in it!) or with helping others according to their needs (those people aren't better off without our civilization...this is for their own good) - that the angels and the archons should support coercive mind control just as they support charity and self-sacrifice and all the other things people ascribe to "good." </p><p></p><p>If that then becomes the case that the consensus believes coercive mind control to be "good," you will dramatically change the planes (at least drawing many of the Lawful planes into some of the Lawful Good planes, probably!), and coercive mind control will be another instrument in the tools of the angels and societies will likely become more peaceful and orderly and such. The exact ramifications are open to individual table interpretation. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It would in large part depend upon this person's reason for being pretty weird like that. At the very least, people would have a deeper understanding of the arbitrariness of language and the power of one person to influence it. </p><p></p><p>But this also seems like theorycraft - there's no explanation for why someone would believe that these words should mean different things. Given a strong enough motivation, maybe there would be other effects, but that would depend on the core element of a PS character that you've left out here - their belief in why this should be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 7671112, member: 2067"] If it is not a good thing in a particular instance then how can it be said to be a virtue? If there are instances when it is not a good thing, then only by ignoring those instances can we say that it is a virtue. It clearly isn't at all times a virtue. This seems so nakedly obvious to me in the common use of language and value judgments that I'm having a hard time believing you truly don't understand this. That's fairly true in PS - Bahamut's goodness is a property of what people believe to be true about him, not a quality of his that exists without others there to place it upon him. It probably wouldn't be. I'd question why a character in PS would want to flip those definitions, aside from semantics. This might be a more nuanced position. One might believe that "good" should be compatible, say, coercive mind control in the interests of social unity, because one believes that this goal is consistent with one's conscience (others are suffering without our society!), with one's duty to society (those who can't participate participate in it should be convinced to participate in it!) or with helping others according to their needs (those people aren't better off without our civilization...this is for their own good) - that the angels and the archons should support coercive mind control just as they support charity and self-sacrifice and all the other things people ascribe to "good." If that then becomes the case that the consensus believes coercive mind control to be "good," you will dramatically change the planes (at least drawing many of the Lawful planes into some of the Lawful Good planes, probably!), and coercive mind control will be another instrument in the tools of the angels and societies will likely become more peaceful and orderly and such. The exact ramifications are open to individual table interpretation. It would in large part depend upon this person's reason for being pretty weird like that. At the very least, people would have a deeper understanding of the arbitrariness of language and the power of one person to influence it. But this also seems like theorycraft - there's no explanation for why someone would believe that these words should mean different things. Given a strong enough motivation, maybe there would be other effects, but that would depend on the core element of a PS character that you've left out here - their belief in why this should be. [/QUOTE]
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