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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ondath" data-source="post: 9104186" data-attributes="member: 7031770">That's not entirely incorrect. But I think D&D relying on one special player (aka the DM) to do all the heavy lifting in order to make a table happen creates a weird situation.Sure, the kind of people who hang out in ENWorld (out of which those who fill the survey are an even smaller percentage) are a silly folk. The average player cares a lot less about the martial/caster disparity, short rests being a viable mechanic, or there being very few ways to spend gold. But their DM probably does. And if the game doesn't attract the group's DM, then that group isn't playing D&D. They'll probably switch to Level Up or Tales of the Valiant or Pathfinder 2E or whatever alternative game the DM prefers (that isn't niche enough to turn off their average players).So I think even though we are kinda weird, I do also think that 5E should listen to us. We're the loud minority that D&D needs to satisfy for the game to happen.And to approach [USER=18]@Ruin Explorer[/USER]'s point from another angle, I do think WotC's internal playtesting team has a very peculiar playstyle, and they've had that for a long time. These are the people who didn't realise the 3.5 Cleric was overpowered, because they just played the class as a healer and didn't push the class's potential to the fullest extent. AFAICT, 5E's internal playtesters also play the game like a classic dungeon crawler, even though the game has evolved into a very different playstyle. And I think these kinds of disparities ultimately lead to a product that isn't as good as it could have been.</blockquote>

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