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Message: <blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 939451" data-attributes="member: 1325">But it is, as a level 1 artisan will have difficulty meeting the DC18 required.I suppose if you granted him Max ranks (4), +2 Stat mod, and +2 masterwork tools he could then take 10. But 14 in a stat is pretty remarkable for a non-remarkable NPC, and how can he afford the masterwork tools?Of course, one could even argue about the validity of the DC, perhaps it should have been higher (my opinion, but nothing that I get so worked up about I implement in my games)IRL small group has indeed fought an army to a standstill, for a limited amount of time. Even in a standup fight, given the correct terrain. The greek unit of homosexuals that fought up in a mountain pass against overwhelming numbers of Persians (I wish I could remember the name of this unit or the place of the battle). In the end they were all slaughtered, but they caused the Persians incredible loses.Or the story of Bravo Two Zero, when one of the SAS men stayed behind and held off an Iraq division for several minutes, singlehandedly. (He was shot and killed in the end...)Given my supposition about an average low level artisan, without access to masterwork tools (which he might have were he working for a master armoursmith) he a) couldn't succeed with a take ten, b) would take much longer, and risk botching it all.Well without looking it up, (don't have the DMG here) I would saya) no, because does the DMG prices adjust for experience and skill (ranks) in a profession?b) I was commenting this statement:"Under the standard rules, 50 pounds of plate costs 750 GP in raw materials, but 40 pounds of chainmail only costs 75 GP in raw materials. Those last 10 pounds of metal must be some rare adamantine alloy, eh?"In my mind regarding it as merely "raw materials" is an oversimplification. It is really a collection of resources which is wasted. These resources could be as varied as connections/contacts required to replace unusual tools and materials, travel expenses, design notes, coal, heating, rent, bribes to officials, basically anything that would be considered to be part of the "project" that is crafting "X".Aha, but seldom could that actually be arranged, There are powerful guilds who are interested in maintaining their grip on this or that aspect of the economy, and if one "master artisan" choose to sell an armour at a reduced rate, you can be sure that he would loose his right to produce said item. Marks up have and are in many cases well beyond 100%. Especially on Luxury items. I know specifically of a sausage maker that produces the same sausage for two different marketing labels. One is marketted as a "luxury sausage" and costs nearly twice as much. Same content. Same manufacturer. And people PAY!!!Just look at the prices of clothing in the shop, or CDs.Once again I was refering to your comment on the "price of raw materials". You'd be surprised at the layers of bureaucracy and leeches that can spontaneously appear out of the woodwork in any economy, modern or ancient when a good profit is to be had. Lawyers existed even then. Duties had to be paid to Duke and King, and to the Guild. Then protection money.</blockquote>

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