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<blockquote data-quote="Xeriar" data-source="post: 946727" data-attributes="member: 4116"><p>Plate weights about 60-70 pounds, depending. Full plate is a little heavier, of course, but you're mounted wearing that. IMO WotC's armor weights are more spot on than their weapons.</p><p></p><p>I don't know where Seasong came up with 100 pounds, really. I don't know why he puts the max dex bonus at +0 either. There is a difference between an agile person in plate and an average person in plate, for sure.</p><p></p><p>Jousting armor IIRC is 80-90 pounds, and a knight could not get up in it unassisted.</p><p></p><p>A full suit of 4 in 1 chain weighs about 40 pounds. 5 for the coif, 25 for the haubark and 10 for the chausses, IIRC. Many soldiers neglected the chausses because of mobility and dysentry.</p><p></p><p>Splint mail runs metal splints vertically through these chain links, banded mail in bands around it. Maybe at 10 pounds at most. IMO neither are armors I'd care to wear, however.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure about cloth/padded armor. It's 20 layers of silk or linen and is generally there to allow an arrow to be removed, or act as a gambesan for the armor over it.</p><p></p><p>Soft leather does not hold up well in combat and you can at least pound nails through it if you have to (ie, make it studded). Or if you're gonna go with soft leather, make it lamellar so you can replace damaged parts.</p><p></p><p>Hardened leather is certainly not what I would call semi-rigid - it's pretty damn stiff. It's not studded, rather, you attach metal plates to it and call it brigandine. The key here is not flexibility but that it's still quiet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xeriar, post: 946727, member: 4116"] Plate weights about 60-70 pounds, depending. Full plate is a little heavier, of course, but you're mounted wearing that. IMO WotC's armor weights are more spot on than their weapons. I don't know where Seasong came up with 100 pounds, really. I don't know why he puts the max dex bonus at +0 either. There is a difference between an agile person in plate and an average person in plate, for sure. Jousting armor IIRC is 80-90 pounds, and a knight could not get up in it unassisted. A full suit of 4 in 1 chain weighs about 40 pounds. 5 for the coif, 25 for the haubark and 10 for the chausses, IIRC. Many soldiers neglected the chausses because of mobility and dysentry. Splint mail runs metal splints vertically through these chain links, banded mail in bands around it. Maybe at 10 pounds at most. IMO neither are armors I'd care to wear, however. I'm not sure about cloth/padded armor. It's 20 layers of silk or linen and is generally there to allow an arrow to be removed, or act as a gambesan for the armor over it. Soft leather does not hold up well in combat and you can at least pound nails through it if you have to (ie, make it studded). Or if you're gonna go with soft leather, make it lamellar so you can replace damaged parts. Hardened leather is certainly not what I would call semi-rigid - it's pretty damn stiff. It's not studded, rather, you attach metal plates to it and call it brigandine. The key here is not flexibility but that it's still quiet. [/QUOTE]
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