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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7642468" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>"Grognard" comes to us from the French from "grumbler", and originally referred to those veteran campaigners who - having been with Napoléon since the beginning - were entitled to speak their mind. The effective meaning is "an old soldier" so to be young and a grognard is a contradiction in terms.</p><p></p><p>To me, to be a grognard you have to have begun play no later than 1e AD&D or "red box" basic, preferably prior to the printing of the "Unearthed Arcana" - though if you want to be purist about it, I would accept an argument that you had to have come to the game in the OD&D era before the printing of the 1e Monster Manual. </p><p></p><p>I would not accept a later definition of what it means to be a grognard until such time as the OG's die off and there is no generation old enough to view the oldest left as youngsters. Rather than seeing you as one of the youngest grognards, by starting your first campaign in 1994 I see you as one of the oldest non-grognards. No one that started play after the printing of 2e counts as a grognard for me, and basically I think we're still at least 20 years out from any need to define such late bloomers as grognards.</p><p></p><p>The youngest grognard by the strictest definition is probably about 49 right now, probably playing as an 8 or 9 year old with older relatives in 1979. I can't really conceive of anyone younger having the maturity. A slightly looser definition would put the youngest grognards at around 43. But in either case, even if you are 43 if you didn't begin gaming until you were 13 or 14, you aren't a grognard because you don't remotely have a case that you've been with the game since the beginning. You don't remember first hand the original publications of 1e AD&D, the Red Box appearing in toy stores, the Dungeon & Dragons cartoon or the related toys, the first publication of Chronicles of the Dragonlance or when Dragon felt very much like an amateur 'zine. You don't remember Boot Hill, Top Secret, and Traveller. By the time you got into the game, it was Vampire the Masquerade. </p><p></p><p>And I'm vaguely familiar with the culture of OD&D as it spread from college war gaming groups into the fringe groups that made up the experimental 1970's, but I was too young to actually be a part of it so I would accept the judgment that I'm not a grognard either, having missed the cut off by 3 or 4 years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7642468, member: 4937"] "Grognard" comes to us from the French from "grumbler", and originally referred to those veteran campaigners who - having been with Napoléon since the beginning - were entitled to speak their mind. The effective meaning is "an old soldier" so to be young and a grognard is a contradiction in terms. To me, to be a grognard you have to have begun play no later than 1e AD&D or "red box" basic, preferably prior to the printing of the "Unearthed Arcana" - though if you want to be purist about it, I would accept an argument that you had to have come to the game in the OD&D era before the printing of the 1e Monster Manual. I would not accept a later definition of what it means to be a grognard until such time as the OG's die off and there is no generation old enough to view the oldest left as youngsters. Rather than seeing you as one of the youngest grognards, by starting your first campaign in 1994 I see you as one of the oldest non-grognards. No one that started play after the printing of 2e counts as a grognard for me, and basically I think we're still at least 20 years out from any need to define such late bloomers as grognards. The youngest grognard by the strictest definition is probably about 49 right now, probably playing as an 8 or 9 year old with older relatives in 1979. I can't really conceive of anyone younger having the maturity. A slightly looser definition would put the youngest grognards at around 43. But in either case, even if you are 43 if you didn't begin gaming until you were 13 or 14, you aren't a grognard because you don't remotely have a case that you've been with the game since the beginning. You don't remember first hand the original publications of 1e AD&D, the Red Box appearing in toy stores, the Dungeon & Dragons cartoon or the related toys, the first publication of Chronicles of the Dragonlance or when Dragon felt very much like an amateur 'zine. You don't remember Boot Hill, Top Secret, and Traveller. By the time you got into the game, it was Vampire the Masquerade. And I'm vaguely familiar with the culture of OD&D as it spread from college war gaming groups into the fringe groups that made up the experimental 1970's, but I was too young to actually be a part of it so I would accept the judgment that I'm not a grognard either, having missed the cut off by 3 or 4 years. [/QUOTE]
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