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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7642578" data-attributes="member: 4348">Well, I suppose I qualify by your definition.  I am STILL a Wargamer to a degree, though the last one I bought was probably a few years ago at this point.  I wasn't into the miniature wargames that many of the D&D'ers were (chainmail is an example of such, as are the Napoleonic miniature wargames), normally more of a board wargamer.  Gygax was heavily involved in that and even created some non-miniature wargames himself (I believe he told me one time that his favorite wargame was actually Waterloo, which was a non-miniature wargame, if I recall correctly, though my memory is failing at some points these days).I'm not sure how I feel about the definition you put there though, for some reason I feel really old in comparison to others here now...I am still into boardgames as well (and have quite the collection, I even have a LOT of modern boardgames these days, some would say I'm a bigger boardgamer than RPG player by FAR).The Wargamer is far smaller in population percentage today (anecdotal personal observance) than back before D&D, with some increases recently, though still very small in comparison to the boardgaming groups and RPG gamers overall (personal observance, perhaps there are places where it is booming and far larger, but not that I have observed recently).I tend to lean more heavily towards older styles of balancing with numbers, charts, and other things than the new methods they have with leaner, quicker to play, and slimmer wargames that sometime incorporate Euro elements into them than the old style games.Anyways, I could probably talk FAR TOO MUCH on board games and other things (wrong forum for it for me to do that though), so rather I'll shut up now.Just thought to post as when reading your statements, I felt really old for some reason all of a sudden.  Interestingly enough, I suppose the youngest of those that I knew or knew about playing at the beginning probably would be in their 40s or 50s these days.I DO know a couple of kids (I taught them...so there's that) that started 1e and BECMI in the past decade...but with the influences of modern RPGs and other things, I probably wouldn't list them as having the same attitudes as the supposed grognards, or having the same approaches.  For some reason, they just have different attitudes and approaches than the those from several decades ago, even if it is with the same game (AD&D in this case, have not taught them OD&D...books are too valuable to have them handle them much these days).</blockquote>

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