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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8012665" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Nice. I like the bard focused build. With Wizard and Ranger you have a total caster level of 18, so great slots available as well!</p><p></p><p>Here is a quick one:</p><p></p><p>Half-Elf Fighter (Champion) 8/ Bard (Lore) 4/ Rogue (Swashbuckler) 4/ Wizard (War Magic) 4</p><p></p><p>8 / 16 (15+1) / 10 / 16 (15+1) / 8 / 16 (14+2)</p><p></p><p>Bard 2: ADD 1/2 Prof Bonus to INITIATIVE</p><p>Bard 4: ASI Alert</p><p>Wizard 2: ADDS INT TO INITIATIVE</p><p>Wizard 4: ASI INT +2</p><p>Rogue 3: ADDS CHA TO INITIATIVE</p><p>Rogue 4: ASI CHA +2</p><p>Fighter 4: ASI DEX +2</p><p>Fighter 6: ASI DEX +2</p><p>Fighter 7: ADD 1/2 Prof Bonus to INITIATIVE</p><p>Fighter 8: ASI INT +2</p><p></p><p>8 / 20 / 10 / 20 / 8 / 18</p><p></p><p>+5 (Alert) +5 (DEX) + 5 (INT) +4 (CHA) + 6 (Jack of All Trades/ Remarkable Athlete) = +25 (again, no magic)</p><p></p><p>Some people might argue about combining Jack of All Trades and Remarkable Athlete, but since neither adds "your proficiency bonus" (they only add half) I think it would be okay at most tables. Since this only uses the PHB and XGtE, most tables have both books as well. If you actually start with Wizard, you get proficiency in WIS saves, which will help offset the low WIS modifier.</p><p></p><p>I am 90% certain I had a build that did get to +26... but can't think of it.</p><p></p><p>I am curious to see if it can be higher. You could do that same thing with the Yuan-Ti Pureblood, etc. and get another +7 from Items, +5 for Sentinel Shield, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8012665, member: 6987520"] Nice. I like the bard focused build. With Wizard and Ranger you have a total caster level of 18, so great slots available as well! Here is a quick one: Half-Elf Fighter (Champion) 8/ Bard (Lore) 4/ Rogue (Swashbuckler) 4/ Wizard (War Magic) 4 8 / 16 (15+1) / 10 / 16 (15+1) / 8 / 16 (14+2) Bard 2: ADD 1/2 Prof Bonus to INITIATIVE Bard 4: ASI Alert Wizard 2: ADDS INT TO INITIATIVE Wizard 4: ASI INT +2 Rogue 3: ADDS CHA TO INITIATIVE Rogue 4: ASI CHA +2 Fighter 4: ASI DEX +2 Fighter 6: ASI DEX +2 Fighter 7: ADD 1/2 Prof Bonus to INITIATIVE Fighter 8: ASI INT +2 8 / 20 / 10 / 20 / 8 / 18 +5 (Alert) +5 (DEX) + 5 (INT) +4 (CHA) + 6 (Jack of All Trades/ Remarkable Athlete) = +25 (again, no magic) Some people might argue about combining Jack of All Trades and Remarkable Athlete, but since neither adds "your proficiency bonus" (they only add half) I think it would be okay at most tables. Since this only uses the PHB and XGtE, most tables have both books as well. If you actually start with Wizard, you get proficiency in WIS saves, which will help offset the low WIS modifier. I am 90% certain I had a build that did get to +26... but can't think of it. I am curious to see if it can be higher. You could do that same thing with the Yuan-Ti Pureblood, etc. and get another +7 from Items, +5 for Sentinel Shield, etc. [/QUOTE]
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