These are the changes of 2 1/2 years?

[EmoryM]

Old interface still viable?

So is there a way to keep viewing the old version of the site?

I started coming to enworld.org daily a few months ago and have enjoyed the news and commentary. For free. Thank you very much and keep up the good work!

But the redesign, it is awful. I hate it. I don't hate anyone who worked on it, or anyone in this thread, I hate the design. I'm allowed to say that much, right? That I loved the site, I enjoy the people who work on it, but it now pains me to view? I realize it may not be a kind thing to say... if anyone takes it personally, I am sorry.

It just seems so cluttered, with all the boxes and scrollbars... I'm used to sites like slashdot, kotaku or thedailywtf.com where I can scroll down, read more about the stories I care about and quickly determine what has been updated. I found it interesting that you justified the changes to ENworld while mentioning sites like Yahoo! and Google News as I don't view either of those sites specifically due to their layout.

I very much regret that I was unaware there was a beta version of ENWorld, had I known I would have left this feedback when it might have mattered. As it stands I don't think I will continue viewing the site, although I will check it periodically in the hopes that things will change for the better.

Thanks for entertaining me for months!

 

[Jdvn1]

I'm liking the new site. Thanks, computer programming people!

Seconded. Love the new site, guys. Keep up the great work.

 

[Morrus]

But the redesign, it is awful. I hate it. I don't hate anyone who worked on it, or anyone in this thread, I hate the design. I'm allowed to say that much, right? That I loved the site, I enjoy the people who work on it, but it now pains me to view? I realize it may not be a kind thing to say... if anyone takes it personally, I am sorry.

That is, in fact, perfectly polite - thank you.

I'll ask Mike if there's any quick and dirty way we can present an alternative display option; I don't know if it'll be possible, but if it is then I have no objection to it. It would be down the list after lots of bug fixes, though!

 

[cougent]

Seconded. Love the new site, guys. Keep up the great work.

Third-ed, it is a sad commentary on our society that we are lightening quick to complain and glacially slow to complement.

 

[Angrygodofmilk]

So. Is it a community or is it a business? It seems that posters on this thread have different opinions. It's a business when they are justifying the new changes that increase ad impressions and it's a community when it comes to offering blunt feedback without the requisite tact.

Personally, I regard ENWorld as a highly informative blog fueled by the web site administrators and community at large (via scoops). Moreover, the vast majority of visitors who come to this blog value the convenience with which new gaming information is disseminated to them (I daresay, above every other service that is offered). One page scrolling. It can't be more easy! They come here so they don't have to click on multiple other links to feel well informed. Their lives are busy too after all.

Fast forward. It's present day, 2 1/2 years after collecting community membership fees and ad impression revenue, and whatever other income I don't know about that this web site generates, and the community at large is rewarded for their loyalty by having that convenient information diffused across multiple pages within [as of this moment] 11 boxes. Boxes that in some cases require tiny little scroll bars to read the entire message.

You know, to be more like Yahoo or Google News (minus the tiny little scroll bars).

I'm sorry that I didn't have anything nice to say about the redesign, but that's because I saw and continue to see absolutely no merit in the changes that were made. That said, my initial post didn't attack anyone's character, didn't wag fingers at anyone in particular, and didn't place blame squarely on the shoulders of any one person. I addressed the content, albeit without restraint and without sprinkling any sugar on top. I should have known better. Everybody likes a little sugar. I know that I do.

(Aside to Michael: That sugar comment was meant to lighten the mood. Take it as you will. )

 

[Michael Morris]

We'll see how things settle out. The site is in constant dev. The main thing is we've finally moved to a responsive and maintainable codebase that can be adjusted as the wishes of the community change.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

So. Is it a community or is it a business? It seems that posters on this thread have different opinions. It's a business when they are justifying the new changes that increase ad impressions and it's a community when it comes to offering blunt feedback without the requisite tact.

I don't care which of these it really is, honestly. They take my money, but only because keeping up a server costs money. I don't know or care if they make real money with this and thus you can consider it a business.
For me, it's the community part that's important, and I appreciate the effort it takes to maintain such a community.

 

[Blackrat]

Not a bug actually so I won't post this to the bug-thread but I was wondering about a thing. In the old ENW, when I logged off, the system automatically marked all threads as read. So when I came back, it only showed that there was unread posts that were made during the time I was away. Now it doesn't do that. I liked the feature and was wondering if it's possible for installing it to ENW2? No hurries ofcourse. It's nothing important, just noticing this change.

 

[Pbartender]

Fair enough; enjoy also.

I'm entitled to the same levels of civility that other users are; my name at the top doesn't change that. Valid criticism does not need to be rude. Had the above poster been talking about someone's house rule or new rules interpretation, he'd have gotten a ban for that.

The rules of EN World apply at all times, whomover you're talking to, and whatever you're talking to them about. For reference, they can be found here:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_rules#faq_new_faq_irule1

Anyone who can't follow them is welcome to post elsewhere; there is absolutely no "I can be as rude to him as I like because his name's at the top" pass-card here. You're not dealing with a company representative of whom you're a loyal customer; you're in my virtual living room, and are expected to conduct yourself as such. These rules are not negotiable and apply to everyone.

Now, Morrus, you're absolutely correct that civility is key, here. The guy was being an asshat, and there should be no tolerance for that. However...

Realize that many of us are "loyal customers" to a certain degree by virtue of paying money to be community supporters. That certainly doesn't excuse such rudeness from a poster who isn't a community supporter, and has been on the forums for less than a year with less than two dozen posts to his name. But you do have to bear in mind that while we're hanging out in your virtual living room, many of us do help pay the bills.

That said, I haven't any problem with the new forums... They're different, and I'm still getting used to the changes but I like much of what I see.

They're certainly faster than before... I haven't run across the problems I used to have at peak times (lunchtime and after work ), and that by itself is worth money going to a CS account, I think.

Keep up the good work. It's not easy to keep something like this going.

 

[Darkness]

... In the old ENW, when I logged off, the system automatically marked all threads as read. ... Now it doesn't do that. I liked the feature and was wondering if it's possible for installing it to ENW2? ...

No.